If that's the way you want it to work in your game, that's perfectly fine. We all understand. Even if your point #2 isn't actually true.
Intelligent Blademaster with Javelin?
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If that's the way you want it to work in your game, that's perfectly fine. We all understand. Even if your point #2 isn't actually true.
chaotix42
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No, my point is pretty solid. You're the one bending IMO - I'm following the feat to the letter. Tell me where I'm bending anything. You think it should only apply to melee attacks, when in fact the feat applies to any basic attack.
Keep up the personal attacks Herschel. It shows how shaky your point really is.
Ryujin
Legend
It says, "... when making a basic attack with a melee weapon." I would say that a melee weapon is a weapon being used to make a melee attack. If you use a melee weapon to make a ranged attack, then it's an improvised ranged weapon. If it's a weapon that has dual use as either a melee or ranged weapon then it is either one or the other at the time, dependent upon how it is being used. Anything else breaks the spirit of the rule.
Unfortunately Wizards didn't see fit to clarify the language of the Intelligent Blademaster feat when they released the update. Perhaps this is because it's quite plain what the intent is.
It's also quite plain from the language used, that this feat functions equally well with any melee weapon. This is explicit in the description, rather than implicit. Specific descriptions of the Swordmage powers may clarify if a sword must be used for them. If it isn't explicit then to imply such, while in keeping with the flavour of the character, doesn't necessarily make it a requirement.
Unfortunately Wizards didn't see fit to clarify the language of the Intelligent Blademaster feat when they released the update. Perhaps this is because it's quite plain what the intent is.
It's also quite plain from the language used, that this feat functions equally well with any melee weapon. This is explicit in the description, rather than implicit. Specific descriptions of the Swordmage powers may clarify if a sword must be used for them. If it isn't explicit then to imply such, while in keeping with the flavour of the character, doesn't necessarily make it a requirement.
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How have I made a "personal attack"? You used a nonsense word. I have not called you or anyone else in any seriousness any sort of name.
You may want to adjust the stirrups, the ground is a long ways away.
Of course what exactly that clarity is differs between people.
I understand reading it your way, and even think it's a creative way to bend the rules and in a way that is definitely beneficial but doesn't really "hurt" anything because it doesn't break it to the point of unbalancing encounters. You are using direct language to re-adjust the pre-requisite points and make it fit where I'm simply upholding the strictures of the pre-requisite in the chain of use.
Not the biggest deal either way.
Half-right, half-wrong. You must be a swordmage to take Intelligent Blademaster (multiclassing makes you count as a swordmage for feat purposes). However, Intelligent Blademaster is not a power, it is a feat, and even if the swordmage class powers specified that they had to be used with a blade (which they don't, see below), as a feat Intelligent Blademaster has nothing to do with powers.
Essentially, what you're arguing is the equivalent of saying rogues can't take Weapon Focus (heavy blade) because their powers are based on light blades, crossbows, and slings. Which is completely untrue.
Wrong. There are three, and only three, swordmage features that require a light or heavy blade:
1) Implement powers (if you want the implement's enhancement bonus)
2) The Swordbond class feature
3) The Swordmage Warding class feature.
That's it. If you're okay with not being able to summon your sword to your hand and losing the +2/+3 AC bonus, you can pick a bunch of Weapon keywords and build a swordmage using any melee weapon you want.
This assumption is entirely incorrect. As previously mentioned, Intelligent Blademaster is a feat, not a power, and the two are not even close to the same thing in 4E. Moreover, look at the swordmage weapon powers. Notice how there's no "Requirement: Must be wielding a light or heavy blade" line on any of them? Now take a look at every single rogue attack power. Notice anything different?
Swordmages are not required to use a light or heavy blade for anything that does not specifically say it requires one. That includes Swordmage Aegis, it includes every single attack power in the book, and it definitely includes the Intelligent Blademaster feat.
chaotix42
First Post
You don't need to call someone a name to attack them personally (although you did call me a cheater
). I won't even go into your issue with "RAW."Not sure what that even means. Are they hanging too low or something? I don't even like cowboys. Tombstone was a sweet movie though.
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He's telling you to get off your high horse (and seems to be blind to the irony inherent in his statement).
He really thinks he knows better than everyone else, and can't see how much of a hypocrite he's being.
*shrug* Everyone has a character flaw, that seems to be his.
Ryujin
Legend
You are right that the feat seems to have a fair bit of intent built in. My assumption is that the blademaster part of Intelligent Blademaster refers to the character who has the feat, rather than the feat, as it does explicitly state "a melee weapon" instead of "a light or heavy bladed melee weapon."
As to the "improvised thrown weapon" that is stated in the Player's Handbook, in the weapon tables. They don't go into great detail as to what should be included in this category, but I take it to mean anything that is not designed to be a thrown weapon. That would include swords, shields, rocks, bottles, chairs.... They state that there is no proficiency bonus and a damage of 1d4.
