Falling Icicle
Adventurer
Looking through the Monster Manual, I noticed quite a few monsters that are immune to illusions or have true seeing. Considering this, is making an illusionist wizard really such a good idea?
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Illusionist Wizards - What about all the monsters that are immune?
- Thread starter Falling Icicle
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I think truesight only reveals invisible creatures. It is not true seeing, IIRC.
EDIT: A cursory look on the Compendium reveals purple worms, balhannoths, and duergar are immune to illusions. That doesn't seem so bad. I could have missed some, though.
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Truesight: The monster automatically sees through illusions within the specified range (in squares) and within its line of sight. ~MM
41 creatures with truesight by compendium
Falling Icicle
Adventurer
That's alot. I don't recall seeing anywhere near that many immune to any other keyword, even fire.
Ryujin
Legend
Add in the ones that have resist.
Falling Icicle
Adventurer
Resistance is a whole lot more forgiving than immunity.
Bagpuss
Legend
Don't most illusion spells do Psychic damage*, if they are not immune to Psychic then they still take the damage.
For example the Purple Worm is immune to illusions, but takes full damage from Illusory Ambush Wizard At-Will (as it is Psychic damage and has the Psychic keyword). Creatures Immune to Illusion could be argued to be immune to the secondary effects but not the damage.
Immune: The monster has immunity to the stated kind of damage or effect. For example, a monster with “immune poison” never takes poison damage and can’t suffer any other ill effect from a poison attack. (from MM)
However, you could equally argue that actually they do because they aren't immune to all the keywords.
"Resistance or immunity to one keyword of a power does not protect a target from the power’s other effects." (from PHB)
It's one area that the rules really aren't clear at all on, since they don't link the keywords to particular aspects of powers.
*Don't have Arcane Power yet but the Illusions in Dragon all did Psychic damage.
For example the Purple Worm is immune to illusions, but takes full damage from Illusory Ambush Wizard At-Will (as it is Psychic damage and has the Psychic keyword). Creatures Immune to Illusion could be argued to be immune to the secondary effects but not the damage.
Immune: The monster has immunity to the stated kind of damage or effect. For example, a monster with “immune poison” never takes poison damage and can’t suffer any other ill effect from a poison attack. (from MM)
However, you could equally argue that actually they do because they aren't immune to all the keywords.
"Resistance or immunity to one keyword of a power does not protect a target from the power’s other effects." (from PHB)
It's one area that the rules really aren't clear at all on, since they don't link the keywords to particular aspects of powers.
*Don't have Arcane Power yet but the Illusions in Dragon all did Psychic damage.
My bad, I didn't remember that line in truesight.
But what does "seeing through" illusions mean in the context of attack powers with the illusion keyword. Does that confer immunity? I honestly don't know -- certainly it cancels out the effects of invisibility, powers like Veil, anything that creates illusory terrain.
But what does "seeing through" illusions mean in the context of attack powers with the illusion keyword. Does that confer immunity? I honestly don't know -- certainly it cancels out the effects of invisibility, powers like Veil, anything that creates illusory terrain.
Ryujin
Legend
True, but there aren't a lot of creatures with "resistance" to illusion, are there? OTOH there are Metric tonnes of creatures that have some form of resistance.
