Converting monsters from Dungeon Magazine

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Leopold

NKL4LYFE
Cruel savage sumnabitches.

What about : 2d8 con damage primary and then 2d8 con damage if fail save. I don't know any PC that has 4d8 worth of con. Minimum of 16 off the bat you are taking out mages, sorcerers off the bat, fighters by 2/3 and cleric's by 1/2 at least.

Ada/Bludgeoning is fine. If y'all want to go balls out, lets do it up.
 

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freyar

Extradimensional Explorer
Well, I agree that 2d8/2d8 Con will probably kill a lot of PCs. If we're not going to go with straight death, that's a fine poison to me.
 

Leopold

NKL4LYFE
Well, I agree that 2d8/2d8 Con will probably kill a lot of PCs. If we're not going to go with straight death, that's a fine poison to me.

I know most 3.x players do not like the idea of instant death without much say. A saving throw will at least give the illusion of hope that they make it out alive. Maybe I'm softening a bit in my old DM age of not wanting to kill them outright but prolong the suffering and misery with presence of false hope and maybe a prayer.
 

freyar

Extradimensional Explorer
Well, even with secondary damage of death, they'd get a save. It's just that they then wouldn't have the hope that the statue rolls low on the Con damage.
 


demiurge1138

Inventor of Super-Toast
Let's stick to death. I mean, this is the avatar of the goddess of poison. The massive Con damage seems simultaneously weaker and meaner, somehow. Death is nice and straight forward. Besides, at high level, there's plenty of ways to get immunity/resistances to poison (I'm looking at you, heroes' feast).
 

Leopold

NKL4LYFE
Let's stick to death. I mean, this is the avatar of the goddess of poison. The massive Con damage seems simultaneously weaker and meaner, somehow. Death is nice and straight forward. Besides, at high level, there's plenty of ways to get immunity/resistances to poison (I'm looking at you, heroes' feast).

Fine with me. I thought they completely tossed out "Save or Die" was sticking to the 3e paradigm. If death is what it must be death it is.
 

demiurge1138

Inventor of Super-Toast
Fine with me. I thought they completely tossed out "Save or Die" was sticking to the 3e paradigm. If death is what it must be death it is.

Finger of death
Slay living
Death domain power
Phantasmal killer
Destruction
Power word: kill doesn't even have a save!

Save or die is well alive in 3.X.
 



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