Optimising versus Roleplaying

[Mark]

I'm virtually always doing something else while I post. IYKWIMAITYD.

R.E.L. = Remotely Engaged Lefty

 

[Jack99]

I'm virtually always doing something else while I post. IYKWIMAITYD.

Say no more, or Grandma will surely have a heart-attack.

 

[MarkB]

Now, is it just me, or does the OP, complaining about people incorrectly referencing the Stormwind Fallacy (which I also have never heard of 'til now), himself commit an error when referencing it? <snip>

As I understand it, you have the right of it. The fallacy is about whether certain types of player can properly role-play, rather than whether certain types of character can be role-played.

Specifically, it disputes the suggestion that the mere act of making a character mechanically optimised precludes the possibility that the player is building a well-fleshed-out character, or will bring any depth to their portrayal of that character.

 

[coyote6]

I'm virtually always doing something else while I post. IYKWIMAITYD.

That's the Hong Fallacy!

 

[Woas]

I dunno what a Stormwind is, but this thread is funny. I got some good lols from it.

But I have a question, is this fallacy or whatever it's called just apply to D&D?

 

[UngainlyTitan]

The ardoughter fallacy- the assumption that you need to formulate a fallacy before having it named for you.

QED

I vote that by the time this thread drops off the front page, everyone in the forum has a fallacy named after them except Rel.

Cool, I got a fallacy out of this, though I am stumped right now as to what the Cadfan Fallacy might be

 

[jaerdaph]

I'd rather have a fallacy named after me than a phallus inside of me...

 

[nightwyrm]

I'd rather have a fallacy named after me than a phallus inside of me...

Some might beg to differ.

 

[Samuel Leming]

Yeah. I shouldn't have said that Stormwind was rude. Saying that wasn't germane to this topic and when compaired to many that came after him he seemed like a real kitten.

I actually agree with him in so far as an obvious false dichotomy is obvious. I also agree with Oberoni that an obviously broken rule is not fixed by an obvious house rule that obviously wouldn't have been created if the rule worked.

I get angry whenever I see 'Stormwind' invoked. I associate the term more with those guys that turned the Pathfinder playtest forums into a cesspit for several months. I've more frequently seen it used to justify poor behavior than to actually point out the "all people who know the rules can't role play" error.

So, yeah, let's not use that term here. Let's just point out false dichotomies if anyone actually makes an argument using one.

 

[Samuel Leming]

Apart from the other ways in which this thread has been elucidating, it has brought to my attention a massive oversight, which desperately needs correction: I don't have a fallacy named after me.

I intend to address this by pouting until such time as I get one.

I've heard that there's an urinal in a men's room named after you. Does that help?