Dragon Con: A Sight of the Schism in action

[Derren]

I never said 4e had 6 million players. As for the rest, think what you want. I dunno why I even got into this again. I must have been bored. Because I honestly do not care.

But just for the record. I have no issue with Paizo and Pathfinder. I buy roughly 80% of what they publish. That still doesn't change the fact that I think you are kidding yourself if you think the general D&D public knows who Paizo is and what Pathfinder is.

But hey, think whatever makes you happy. I know I do.

You are aware that if you go by Amazon, Pathfinder is outselling D&D everywhere since one month?
The only exception is the UK where WH40K is number 1 followed by 4E and France where the first few spots are taken by Video Game guides. I couldn't check China as I don't understand a word (but in Japan, Pathfinder is 1st)
Sure, its core vs. splatbook, but I would take that as indication that Pathfinder isn't quite as small as you want people to believe.

 

[pawsplay]

This sort of dismissal surprises me. When I see people post that what happens on messageboards is not representative and what happens at conventions and gamedays is not representative and what happens at gamestores is not representative and then theorize that there are vast numbers of people who there is no way to poll and no way to be sure even exist in any substantial number with a specific viewpoint, I have to be skeptical. I mean, if you want to believe it, more power to you, but it doesn't even rise to the level of insufficient data. The fact of the matter is that people on messageboards, at convention and gmedays, and in gamestores are precisely representative of what they play and think. They just happen to be people who you can actually count and poll.

Some have theorized the existence of thousands of casual gamers who are composed entirely of dark matter.

 

[pawsplay]

Anything that I am willing to say on a message board I am willing to say in public.

Then again, I try not to be overly rude on message boards, so it amounts to the same thing: being rude is rude, no matter where you are being rude.

The Auld Grump, rudely speaking....

Context is important. Discussion boards are for discussions. Obviously, wandering into the 4e section of this site to dump on 4e would be rude, as would wandering into the PF section to dump on PF. But neither category is immune to discussion. When someone is gaming, you are interrupting their activity for a discussion. The equivalent online would be going over to play-by-post games or recruitment threads and posting "Eww, X Game system stinks."

 

[Thanlis]

You are aware that if you go by Amazon, Pathfinder is outselling D&D everywhere since one month?

Let's be meticulously precise: the Pathfinder Core book was the best seller for a month or so. I'd be leery of assuming that meant Pathfinder as a whole was outselling D&D as a whole. Maybe yes, maybe no, but let's not assume.

As of this post, the DMG 2 and Revenge of the Giants are both outselling the Pathfinder Core book.

I've seen Pathfinder in one FLGS. Don't recall seeing it in the other. Haven't seen it in my comics stores, which do stock RPGs in a fairly light way. Hm. Does it have Borders/B&N distribution?

 

[Rechan]

Odd. A year ago, I was hearing that amazon sales meant nothing. Wonder why that was?

 

[Mistwell]

This sort of dismissal surprises me.

What surprises me is that the premise of the thread was disproved fairly quickly (the OP just didn't know where to look on the schedule for the D&D 4E games, they were under LFR instead of 4E, and there were over 50 of them being played), and yet folks continue to respond to the thread as if the premise were still correct.

 

[Thanlis]

What surprises me is that the premise of the thread was disproved fairly quickly (the OP just didn't know where to look on the schedule for the D&D 4E games, they were under LFR instead of 4E, and there were over 50 of them being played), and yet folks continue to respond to the thread as if the premise were still correct.

Heck, it's even hit a couple of other boards at this point. I don't think it's any ill-will; once a thread goes over a page, a lot of people just read the first few posts and then respond. Maybe they read the last page if you're lucky.

 

[Derren]

Let's be meticulously precise: the Pathfinder Core book was the best seller for a month or so. I'd be leery of assuming that meant Pathfinder as a whole was outselling D&D as a whole. Maybe yes, maybe no, but let's not assume.

As of this post, the DMG 2 and Revenge of the Giants are both outselling the Pathfinder Core book.

I just checked and the exact order seems to depend on which category you look as they use different timespans to determine their bestsellers.
Still, it doesn't invalidate my point that Pathfinder is much more well known than what some people think.

 

[Thanlis]

I just checked and the exact order seems to depend on which category you look as they use different timespans to determine their bestsellers.
Still, it doesn't invalidate my point that Pathfinder is much more well known than what some people think.

I think it's been a wild success. Lots of people playing it at cons, very good sales, etc.

 

[ProfessorCirno]

Can we just have one goddamn thread where Pathfinder is mentioned and a small group doesn't rush forward to assure us all that it's a big failure that most gamers will never hear about?

Seriously.