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Recommend Some non-Elric Moorcock

Darth Shoju

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Like the title says. I haven't read anything by him yet, and I know I'll be reading the Elric books, so I don't need any help there. However, I'd like to try some of his other stuff, and he seems to have a pretty large body of work. Can you distinguished, discerning ENWorlders lend a hand narrowing it down?

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The Swords Trilogy and the Chronicles of Corum. Same hero in both trilogies, set more in a Welsh/Cletic setting. I actually read them before the Elric stuff.

There is also the "Runestaff" series with Dorian Hawkmoon. Count Brass etc. Then there's the Eternal Champion, Erokose, a stand alone book. Elric and Corum and other protaganist's in Moorcock's milieu are supposedly "reflections" of the eternal champion.

The best ones are the oldest ones in my opinion. The ones listed above you may have to find in used book stores and such places. Mine were printed in the 70s.

Let me know if you want more details and I can provide a list.
 

They've been printing Moorcock omnibus volumes of late.

SA's recommendations are solid. I also liked "The War Hound and the World's Pain".

"A Nomad of the Time Streams" series was interesting. Not kind to a lot of sacred cows though.

* The Warlord of the Air
* The Land Leviathan
* The Steel Tsar

Erokose has a sort of second book "The Ice Schooner".

I would avoid the "Jerry Cornelius" books like the plague. Unless you like reading endless pages of the author simply screwing around. They really aren't so much of a story as a series of randomly written chapters where the characters tend to have some of the same names.
 

If you liked Elric, dive right on in with the Corum books:
The Swords Trilogy
The Knight of the Swords
The Queen of the Swords
The King of the Swords


The Chronicles of Corum
The Bull and the Spear
The Oak and the Ram
The Sword and the Stallion


Corum crops up in one or two other places, but those are the core of his story.

The Von Bek stories are also excellent. Three stand out from the others:
Warhound and the World's Pain
City in the Autum Stars
Dragon in the Sword

Warhound... in particular is excellent - one of Moorcock's best. City... is also cool, a sort of alchemical romance. Dragon... is also fantastic, and ties into his larger "Eternal Champion" mythology.

If you fancy a dose of wild humour, you should check out the Dancers at the End of Time:
An Alien Heat
The Hollow Lands
The End of All Songs

These are utterly brilliant. Hilarious, imaginative and riotous good fun. There are also some short stories that follow these, but this trilogy stands alone and is a joy to read.

If you are looking for a series that breaks new ground like little else in the genre, read the Second Ether books:
Blood
Fabulous Harbours
War Amongst the Angels

You might find these a little hard to digest. They break genre conventions and are cutting-edge like few other books are. Like reading a fractal.

Three other books are definitely worth a read, no matter your tastes:
Behold the Man
Gloriana
Brothel in Rosenstrasse

Behold... is a religious satire, Gloriana a Gormenghastian fantasy, and Brothel...an erotic study of warfare. Works of near-literary genius. Great stuff.

Unlike Rackhir, I would also recommend the Cornelius Quartet. They are utterly bizarre and don't make much sense until you've read them all. But I found them engrossing, fascinating and deeply original. The final scenes of the fourth book are deeply moving and a deeply human summation of Moorcock's work as a whole.

I'm not overly fond of the Hawkmoon books. There are some fantastic narrative elements and great supporting characters, but Hawkmoon himself is a rather dull fellow imho.

(In case it's not already obvious, I am a huge Moorcock fan. If you're just starting out reading his stuff, you're scratching the surface of an immense iceberg of talent. He has his moments of hackery - books written just to pay the bills - moments of inspiration and flashes of utter genius. I can think of few other authors that have influence the fantasy genre so deeply and so broadly. Have fun!)
 

The Swords Trilogy and the Chronicles of Corum. Same hero in both trilogies, set more in a Welsh/Cletic setting. I actually read them before the Elric stuff.

There is also the "Runestaff" series with Dorian Hawkmoon. Count Brass etc. Then there's the Eternal Champion, Erokose, a stand alone book. Elric and Corum and other protaganist's in Moorcock's milieu are supposedly "reflections" of the eternal champion.

The best ones are the oldest ones in my opinion. The ones listed above you may have to find in used book stores and such places. Mine were printed in the 70s.

Let me know if you want more details and I can provide a list.

Thanks! Luckily there are quite a few good used bookstores in Winnipeg, and my friend works for one of the big retail booksellers here, so I shouldn't have much trouble finding most of his work.
 


If you liked Elric, dive right on in with the Corum books:
*snips wonderful post for sake of brevity*

Wow, excellent post. Thank you!

As for those "moments of hackery": what books would those be? I'd like to avoid them. I'm sure his "hackery" is still pretty decent, but I don't have a lot of time to devote to reading and there are a lot of great fantasy books out there.

Thanks again everyone. I knew ENWorld was the place to go for this.

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Wow, excellent post. Thank you!

As for those "moments of hackery": what books would those be? I'd like to avoid them. I'm sure his "hackery" is still pretty decent, but I don't have a lot of time to devote to reading and there are a lot of great fantasy books out there.

Thanks again everyone. I knew ENWorld was the place to go for this.

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He had a bunch of "John Carter of Mars" knock off books that probably fit that definition. His recent (last 5-10 yrs) Elric books have had something of a "I need money so I'm writing more about my most popular character" feel to them. I'd say it's mostly his lesser known stuff though. Anything by him that's well known or still popular, is that way for a reason.

The one drawback to the omnibus volumes is that they lack the awesome cover art that has graced a lot of his books. Especially some of the Michael Whelan stuff, though he had a tendency to depict Elric as far too heavily muscled for someone who can barely get out of bed without some kind of help.

Michael Whelan | Retrospective: 1977-2007
 

He had a bunch of "John Carter of Mars" knock off books that probably fit that definition. His recent (last 5-10 yrs) Elric books have had something of a "I need money so I'm writing more about my most popular character" feel to them. I'd say it's mostly his lesser known stuff though. Anything by him that's well known or still popular, is that way for a reason.

Ah, okay. Thanks

The one drawback to the omnibus volumes is that they lack the awesome cover art that has graced a lot of his books. Especially some of the Michael Whelan stuff, though he had a tendency to depict Elric as far too heavily muscled for someone who can barely get out of bed without some kind of help.

Michael Whelan | Retrospective: 1977-2007

Elric's physique aside, I freaking love Michael Whelan's art.
 

Wow, excellent post. Thank you!
No problem. Always a pleasure to geek out about MM :)

As for those "moments of hackery": what books would those be? I'd like to avoid them. I'm sure his "hackery" is still pretty decent, but I don't have a lot of time to devote to reading and there are a lot of great fantasy books out there.

Like Rackhir says, the Mars books are a bit hackish. MM wrote them as a tribute to the originals, so they are something of a pastiche. They're fun, but not his best stuff. Also, although the Nomad of the Time Streams series is generally good, I find that the third in the series is weaker than the other two. That said, the other two are very good so if you get them in an omnibus you could well overlook that. (And depending on which printing you get, characters names will change - MM is an incurable re-writer of his early material.)

As I mentioned before, the quality of the Hawkmoon books is not on a par with his other stuff. Each Hawkmoon book took him about three days to write and in places it shows. Again, they're good fun, but not fantastic. However, if you start to get into the broader "Eternal Champion" saga metaplot* that ties lots of MM's work together, the final Hawkmoon book (Quest for Tanelorn) is one of the saga's main finales. So you may wish to read it just to get that nice sense of closure that it offers.

I'd also not bother with Silverheart, which MM wrote with Storm Constantine. It's basically a novelisation of an unreleased computer game, and it shows. Some nice scenes and ideas, but rather clunky.

I don't agree with Rackhir's assessment of the recent Elric books, however. It's true, you can't really top Stormbringer. But I have a lot of time for Fortress of the Pearl and Revenge of the Rose and simply adored the most recent "Dreamquest" trilogy (Dreamthief's Daughter, Skrayling Tree and White Wolf's Son). Very cool as a von Bek/Elric crossover. But tastes differ, of course. These later books are quite unlike the earlier Elric stories in style and theme, and that's not to everyone's liking.

Gotta agree with Rackhir on the lamentable absence of Whelan's art from recent printings. Whelan's art graced the covers of the first Elric books I read and it's always his style and portrayal that I think of when I think of Elric, his sword and the Black Ship.

Speaking of omnibus collections, there was a huge set of omnibuses that came out in the 90s that collected MM's Eternal Champion saga. They were published by White Wolf in the USA and by Orion/Millennium in the UK and comprise about 15 volumes, each containing several novels. Apart from a few differences between the US and UK versions, these attempt to put the series in a "chronological" order (despite that being something of an impossibility.) They're getting hard to find, but you might find them an easy way to get, say, all the Corum or Nomads stories in one go.

More recently, Del Rey have been publishing a series of Elric omnibuses, more or less in publication order (so the oldest stories first) with added extras thrown in, like short stories, original artwork, interviews etc. These are utterly awesome, still in print and not expensive. But I guess it depends on whether you prefer chronological or publication order.

I am going to resist the temptation to gush about the graphic novels for now. I think I've babbled on enough already for one day :)


*As you may know, MM's works posit the idea of an Eternal Champion, who incarnates in various places and times to fight for Law, Chaos or the Balance, as Fate decrees. Most of his protagonists are aspects of the Champion, but few are aware of this or accept it. The majority of his books stand alone, but some are more dependent on the Champion metaplot than others. Eventually, his works form an overarching epic that transcends time and space, with characters being echoes of each other and events mirroring other events on a fractal level. One of his conceits is that time is a field where everything happens at the same time, which allows for multiple endings to the same story. He really gets into this in later years, but you can see it developing in his earlier books. It's probably my favourite aspect of his writing, because the more you read, the richer the tapestry gets.
 

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