Converting monsters from Dragon magazine

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This is starting to look pretty good!

I'll propose a couple of additions to the stats, based on the original description.

First, Phoenix Spiders serve an unnamed Flame Lord as well as Lolth, so we could add "Elemental Plane of Fire" to its Environment.

Second, it says their silk is immune to fire, so the Web entry needs augmenting to include this. Simply adding the lines "A phoenix spider's web has immunity to fire. This immunity only applies to the spider's silk, it does not protect the spider itself or anything wrapped in its web." should be sufficient.
 

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Updated with the larger sizes.

Good suggestions in that last post. I can't believe I forgot the Plane of Fire for the environment.

I'm not sure the increased Con damage is necessary. Many creatures that had "lethal" venom in earlier editions don't have ultra-high Con damage in 3e. The staying power of these critters leads me to believe the current Con damage should be fairly deadly. Anyone other opinions?
 

I think the lower Con damage for the poison is good. These are going to be darned tough anyway. And hard to work out CR.
 


They can be killed by normal means and take double damage from cold attacks and temperatures. Fire-based attacks of sufficient power (doing damage greater than or equal to their current hit-point totals) will seem to kill them. However, such attacks actually strengthen these creatures, causing them to reform in three rounds. If slain by other means, it takes nine rounds for these monsters to reform their essences into a more powerful creature.

Only being killed by cold-based spells prevents these beasts from reforming again.

If a spider has reached its seventh transformation (20’) and it is slain by fire, it reverses its growth process, shrinking one size lower with each death. Any other method of killing it after its seventh life will permanently kill it.

Here's an attempt to summarize the process as an ability. I think we should change the 9 rounds and 3 rounds to variable amounts, possibly 3d3 (or 1d8+1) and 1d3 rounds?

Rise From the Ashes (Su): When a phoenix spider is slain (reduced to -10 hit points or below), its body is immolated, leaving nothing but ash. Nine rounds later, the phoenix spider reforms from the ashes, larger and stronger . If the "killing blow" contains fire damage, the phoenix spider instead reforms 3 rounds later in the same location where it perished.

When the phoenix spider reforms, use the stat block for the next larger size. Thus, a Small phoenix spider rises as a Medium phoenix spider, a Medium as a Large, and a Large as a Huge. A Huge phoenix spider reduced to -10 hit points begins the procees in reverse, arising as a Large phoenix spider. This reformation continues until the spider is slain in Small size. At this point, it is permanently destroyed.

At any point in the process, should an attack that deals cold damage reduce the phoenix spider to less than -10 hit points, the spider is permanently destroyed.
 


Here's an attempt to summarize the process as an ability. I think we should change the 9 rounds and 3 rounds to variable amounts, possibly 3d3 (or 1d8+1) and 1d3 rounds?

Making it variable suits me. How about 2d4+1 (3-9) rounds normally, 1d3 (1-3) rounds if slain by fire?

Rise From the Ashes (Su): When a phoenix spider is slain (reduced to -10 hit points or below), its body is immolated, leaving nothing but ash. Nine rounds later, the phoenix spider reforms from the ashes, larger and stronger . If the "killing blow" contains fire damage, the phoenix spider instead reforms 3 rounds later in the same location where it perished.

What happens if the spider is knocked unconscious (0 hp) or dying (-1 to -9 hp) and gets stabilized? Indeed, a party that is familiar with the monster might try to stabilize its wounds to prevent it reforming.

Maybe we should make that "reduced to 0 hit points or below" rather than -10?

I'd also move the "in the same location" bit into the first sentence on it reforming.

It also occurs to me we want to say the spider reforms at its full hit points. I think an easy way of doing it is comparing it to a true resurrection.

When the phoenix spider reforms, use the stat block for the next larger size. Thus, a Small phoenix spider rises as a Medium phoenix spider, a Medium as a Large, and a Large as a Huge. A Huge phoenix spider reduced to -10 hit points begins the procees in reverse, arising as a Large phoenix spider. This reformation continues until the spider is slain in Small size. At this point, it is permanently destroyed.

At any point in the process, should an attack that deals cold damage reduce the phoenix spider to less than -10 hit points, the spider is permanently destroyed.

This second and third paragraph look fine to me, except for the -10 hp problem I mentioned earlier.

If I apply all these suggested modifications we end up with something like:

Rise From the Ashes (Su): When a phoenix spider is reduced to 0 hit points or below its body is immolated, leaving nothing but ash. X rounds later, the phoenix spider reforms from its ashes at the location it perished in a larger and stronger form. If the "killing blow" contains fire damage, the phoenix spider instead reforms Y rounds later.

A phoenix spider reforms from its ashes at its full hit points, vigor and health, as if it was the recipient of a true resurrection spell.

When the phoenix spider reforms, use the stat block for the next larger size. Thus, a Small phoenix spider rises as a Medium phoenix spider, a Medium as a Large, and a Large as a Huge. A Huge phoenix spider reduced to 0 or fewer hit points begins the process in reverse, arising as a Large phoenix spider. This reformation continues until the spider is slain (reduced to less than -10 hit points) in Small size. At this point, it is permanently destroyed.
 

One other question to consider - what happens if the Phoenix Spider survives the combat?

Does it remain in a larger "from the ashes" form indefinitely, or does it slowly shrink back to its default Small size?
 

One other question to consider - what happens if the Phoenix Spider survives the combat?

Does it remain in a larger "from the ashes" form indefinitely, or does it slowly shrink back to its default Small size?

An excellent question! I think I'd prefer the former, allowing DMs to start them at a larger size if so inclined.

Good suggestion on switching to 0 hp rather than -10.

Updated.
 


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