Longtooth Shifter Regen

[CovertOps]

You are interpreting "while you are bloodied" as "while you are still bloodied". You are assuming that since there is a requirement to be bloodied in the first place, that the power someone stops once no longer bloodied.

The language here is unclear and there is no explicit duration. There is only a specific "while" clause. "While" by itself does not indicate duration. It indicates a condition of when it can and cannot occur, but does not indicate when it completely stops occurring.

If it were explicit, we would not be having the discussion.


"While you are prone, you get a +2 bonus to Fort" says nothing about duration.

You are confusing the use of the word while with the use of the word when or if.

Dictionary.com:
conj.
As long as; during the time that: "It was lovely while it lasted."

Note that there is a definite ending implied to "while it lasted." It did not, however, start and stop repeatedly.

To use some C++ code:

while(bloodied)
{
Regenerate(x);
}
exit();

Once the bloodied condition is no longer true there is no way to get Regenerate(x); On the other hand if you were to write it like this:

if/when(bloodied)
{
Regenerate(x);
}

Your example would be:
When you are prone, you get a +2 bonus to Fort" says nothing about duration.

Use of the word while automatically implies "until not true".

 

[KarinsDad]

You are confusing the use of the word while with the use of the word when or if.

Dictionary.com:
conj.
As long as; during the time that: "It was lovely while it lasted."

Note that there is a definite ending implied to "while it lasted." It did not, however, start and stop repeatedly.

To use some C++ code:

while(bloodied)
{
Regenerate(x);
}
exit();

Once the bloodied condition is no longer true there is no way to get Regenerate(x); On the other hand if you were to write it like this:

if/when(bloodied)
{
Regenerate(x);
}

Your example would be:
When you are prone, you get a +2 bonus to Fort" says nothing about duration.

Use of the word while automatically implies "until not true".

Yup. Your interpretation is a valid interpretation.

It is not the ONLY valid interpretation because the language is not explicit.

There is no explicit duration in the language at all, you are using one way to interpret the English language to give it a duration.

Most people have a hard time with expicit. They view it the way they view it and cannot see beyond that.

It would be explicit if the language stated "once the character is no longer bloodied, the regeneration expires".

"While" is implicit. It's implicit in two directions, yours and someone who doesn't read it like you do.


"I stay inside while it's raining."

Doesn't mean that it's only this time. It could mean every time and in fact implies strongly that this person stays inside any time it is raining. It's NOT explicit.

Write all of the while loop code you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the English language is often not explicit.

Look at how many people interpreted it the exact opposite way that you did.

I don't interpret it the opposite way. I know it is clear as mud. Neither interpretation is explicit.

 

[Tale]

To use some C++ code:

while(bloodied)
{
Regenerate(x);
}
exit();

Once the bloodied condition is no longer true there is no way to get Regenerate(x); On the other hand if you were to write it like this:

if/when(bloodied)
{
Regenerate(x);
}

It's been nearly a decade since I coded, but your example seems odd.

The while will produce a loop while bloodied, meaning that so long as the bloodied status is maintained it will constantly regenerate until no longer bloodied. Your if/when will only give a single instance of regeneration, then stop regardless of whether or not you're still bloodied.

Which doesn't really seem to support your argument.

Your language argument is also odd. The provided example is a use in past-tense, not ongoing. If you were to say "I regenerate while bloodied" it doesn't exactly imply that you only did it once. The implication of it stopping is only if you change it to "I regenerated while bloodied." This only stops because it is explicitly past tense.

 

[CovertOps]

"I stay inside while it's raining."

From a purely grammatical stand point this sentence is not correct.

I stay inside when it's raining.

This tells you under what conditions you will stay inside. This allows it to start and stop raining many times and describes what you will do "when it's raining".

While it's raining, I'm going to stay inside.

This is talking about right now. It says that it is currently raining and until it stops raining you're not going to go outside. Because of the wording of the power ("while bloodied, you gain regen") this is not quite analogous.

While the power is still on, I am going to use my computer.

This is a better analogy because it (like the power) says you are going to keep using your computer until the power goes off.

conj.
As long as; during the time that: It was lovely while it lasted.

If you choose to ignore the definition of the word "while" then you are free to have two different readings of this power. If this is not the correct definition to be used in this context then perhaps you can wander over there and pick one While | Definition of While at Dictionary.com:

Clearly the usage in the sentence is a conjunction, so limit your choices to those. Or you can foolishly try to convince me that the usage is a noun or verb....


Final note: If we are to assume that you can trigger the power and it just turns on or off whenever you become bloodied and ignores the "until end of encounter" part of the first sentence, then why is this even a power. It is just then an always on power whenever the PC is bloodied and never needs to be activated again...because it never ends.

 

[CovertOps]

It's been nearly a decade since I coded, but your example seems odd.

The while will produce a loop while bloodied, meaning that so long as the bloodied status is maintained it will constantly regenerate until no longer bloodied. Your if/when will only give a single instance of regeneration, then stop regardless of whether or not you're still bloodied.

Which doesn't really seem to support your argument.

Your language argument is also odd. The provided example is a use in past-tense, not ongoing. If you were to say "I regenerate while bloodied" it doesn't exactly imply that you only did it once. The implication of it stopping is only if you change it to "I regenerated while bloodied." This only stops because it is explicitly past tense.

My apologies for maybe leaving too much out.

StartMyTurn()
{
  if(bloodied)
  {
    Regenerate(x);
  }
}

vs.

StartMyTurn()
{
  if(activatingLongtoothShifting)
  {
    Create Thread ActivateLongtoothShifting();
  }
}

ActivateLongtoothShifting();
{
  while(bloodied)
  {
    if(StartOfMyTurn)
    {
      Regenerate(x);
    }
  }
}

The example is a direct quote from dictionary.com and thus not changed. But, I highlighted the important part which is that there is a definite time period involved. A single start and a single stop point to "while it lasted".

 

[Klaus]

it switches on and off depending on your health state

This.

Works just like the Fighter's Utility 2 Boundless Endurance (Con mod regen while bloodied).

 

[Dire Human]

"Effect: Until the end of the encounter, you gain a +2 bonus to damage rolls. In addition, while you are bloodied, you gain regeneration 2."

it switches on and off depending on your health state

It very particularly says "while you are bloodied", not "until you are no longer bloodied". It reactivates any time you're bloodied.

It really feels like the answer came in the first two posts, and this should have been an open and shut case, but let's go through this. Context is important. The power states that until the end of the encounter, these two effects happen: you gain a +2 bonus to damage rolls, and while you are bloodied, you gain regeneration 2. That means that until the end of the encounter, any time you are bloodied, whether you've regained hit points above the bloodied value or not, you gain regeneration 2. It's under the umbrella of "until the end of the encounter" and not its own effect.

If you refute this interpretation, then tell me when the regeneration ends if the Shifter ends the encounter while still bloodied.

 

[KarinsDad]

From a purely grammatical stand point this sentence is not correct.

Sorry dude, but you are mistaken. Dictionary.com is not the only source for the English language. I got that sentence from a different dictionary site. That is a perfectly correct english sentence.

while - definition of while by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

The DND rules are not written in precise English language, nor is English precise in this regard. Pretend it is all you want, but you are totally mistaken.

"In addition, while you are bloodied, you gain regeneration 2."
"In addition, while it's raining, I stay inside."

Before you start correcting people on English, maybe you should do some more research.

Post a rebuttal all you want, but you are just arguing to argue at this point. Your English Fu is Weak!

 

[Mistwell]

I also think it switches on and off depending on your health status, and can switch back on again if you again become bloodied.

This has a duration, and the duration is until the end of the encounter.

 

[Infiniti2000]

It depends on what your definition of is is.