Converting Planescape monsters

[freyar]

I'd rather the curse be the standard -4 to all attack rolls, saving throws, skill and ability checks. That's effectively a -8 to the Charisma score for the purposes that count, so that'd be sufficiently detestable.

That's fine by me. I always forget how potent that spell is.

 

[Shade]

Agreed to bestow curse effect. Save DC should be Cha-based.

Updated.

2d8 for the bite, as standard for a Gargantuan creature (assuming the two sizes larger damage in the oversized maw ability), or take a hezrou's bite (4d4) and upsize it twice (6d6???)?

Fill in the x's...

Swallow Whole (Ex): A dire whiner can try to swallow a grabbed opponent up to one size category larger than itself by making a successful grapple check. Its jaws and guts have an extradimensional component that allows them to swallow objects far larger than their external dimensions suggest. Once inside, the opponent takes xdx+x points of crushing damage plus x points of acid damage per round from the demon's interior. A swallowed creature can cut its way out by using a light slashing or piercing weapon to deal x points of damage to the interior (AC x). Once the creature exits, muscular action closes the hole; another swallowed opponent must cut its own way out. A Large obtestu's interior can hold 1 Huge, 4 Large, 16 Medium, 64 Small or 256 Tiny or smaller opponents.

 

[freyar]

I guess 6d6, but that might make this a glass canon, since it's only 75 hp. Bite damage plus a little acid for the swallow whole damage? Gizzard AC is 14.

 

[Shade]

Assuming no other melee attacks, though, it really doesn't seem too deadly. Compare to a vrock or hezrou:

Vrock: 2 claws +15 melee (2d6+6) and bite +13 melee (1d8+3) and 2 talons +13 melee (1d6+3)
Hezrou: Bite +14 melee (4d4+5) and 2 claws +9 melee (1d8+2)

While its hit points are on the low side, it does have some nice special abilities.

 

[Cleon]

I'd rather the curse be the standard -4 to all attack rolls, saving throws, skill and ability checks. That's effectively a -8 to the Charisma score for the purposes that count, so that'd be sufficiently detestable.

That'll do for me, I suppose.

2d8 for the bite, as standard for a Gargantuan creature (assuming the two sizes larger damage in the oversized maw ability), or take a hezrou's bite (4d4) and upsize it twice (6d6???)?

Fill in the x's...

Swallow Whole (Ex): A dire whiner can try to swallow a grabbed opponent up to one size category larger than itself by making a successful grapple check. Its jaws and guts have an extradimensional component that allows them to swallow objects far larger than their external dimensions suggest. Once inside, the opponent takes xdx+x points of crushing damage plus x points of acid damage per round from the demon's interior. A swallowed creature can cut its way out by using a light slashing or piercing weapon to deal x points of damage to the interior (AC x). Once the creature exits, muscular action closes the hole; another swallowed opponent must cut its own way out. A Large obtestu's interior can hold 1 Huge, 4 Large, 16 Medium, 64 Small or 256 Tiny or smaller opponents.

I think I'd like to keep a BIG bite damage, either 6d6 or something close to it such as 4d8 or 4d6.

As for the Swallow Whole, I was thinking somewhere around 2d8 to 3d8 plus Str for the crushing, plus 8 points of acid damage. That isn't as much damage as its bite attack, but that just gives it another reason to use Regurgitate Curse, so it can chomp its opponent in its mouth.

 

[freyar]

Yeah, the numbers seem a bit more reasonable when Shade puts it that way. Cleon's numbers for Swallow Whole seem fine, too.

 

[Shade]

Updated.

15 or 20 points to cut one's way out?

Dire whiners usually live in caves or swamps in the Abyss and on most Prime Material planes.

She has accumulated a great store of treasure and magic, and whines to get the accumulated treasures of the party.

Skills: 10 at 13 ranks
Bluff, Climb, Knowledge (the planes), Listen, Spot, Swim, Use Magic Device...

Feats: 4
Ability Focus (whine)...

 

[freyar]

Appraise, Concentration, Intimidate

Maybe Persuasive, ??

Shouldn't Improved Grab be in the Special Attacks line, too?

 

[Cleon]

Updated.

15 or 20 points to cut one's way out?

I was thinking of 25 hit points. It is a bit high (1-third their hit points), but swallowing things is part of her schtick.

Skills: 10 at 13 ranks
Bluff, Climb, Knowledge (the planes), Listen, Spot, Swim, Use Magic Device...

Since she's adept at talking and pointing out other's flaws I'd think most of the social skills would suit - Bluff, Diplomacy, Intimidate & Sense Motive, maybe even with a racial bonus. I'd keep Climb but drop Swim, which would leave one skill to pick. Maybe Hide?

Bluff, Climb, Diplomacy, Knowledge (the planes), Hide, Intimidate, Listen, Sense Motive, Spot, Use Magic Device?

Feats: 4

Ability Focus (whine)...

That's a definite for the first feat.

Maybe Weapon Focus (bite) to compensate for its rather poor attack?

Lightning Reflexes and Improved Grapple for the others?

That looks rather combat-oriented. I was hoping to give it some magic-boosting feats, but it doesn't really have and magical powers to apply feats too.

 

[demiurge1138]

Ability Focus (whine), Weapon Focus (bite), Combat Expertise, Persuasive?