D&D 4E Will errata ever be incorporated in 4E books?
Doctor Proctor
First Post
See? This is a problem. Apparently you think that you get to tell me what I can and cannot do. News flash: You don't.
I think the issue here is that he's having a problem with you posting this in the 4e rules forum. Saying "I don't like the fact that they haven't printed updated books, and therefore I play using other systems" has nothing to do with discussing rules. It's something that belongs in the General RPG Discussion forum.
Heck, reading the description of the 4e Rules forum here, this whole topic should probably be over in General RPG discussion.
Mistwell
Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to wait for the errata to get incorporated into a new printing of the books, and they should have done that several times by now as new printings take place.
In fact, there are probably a lot of people who would buy new books, in addition to the ones they already have, just for the convenience of having the errata. I suspect there are DMs who would do that, and give their non-errata'ed book to one of their players who never got around to buying them.
It's a lost opportunity, and a relatively inexpensive means of making a decent amount of money.
And talking about this issue in this sub-forum seems fine to me. It fits better in a 4e rules forum than it does in an RPG general forum.
In fact, there are probably a lot of people who would buy new books, in addition to the ones they already have, just for the convenience of having the errata. I suspect there are DMs who would do that, and give their non-errata'ed book to one of their players who never got around to buying them.
It's a lost opportunity, and a relatively inexpensive means of making a decent amount of money.
And talking about this issue in this sub-forum seems fine to me. It fits better in a 4e rules forum than it does in an RPG general forum.
Yeah. . .I thought that too, since errata is essentially rules revisions. I see the point where you don't want to piss off the folks who already bought your books. It doesn't mean I don't want errata'd books though. I still haven't bought a ton of the books, and get further behind every month. It would be nice to be able to buy books that were accurate as soon as I got them, instead of having to go home and check the errata document first.
That said, I'm certainly not going to miss out on a game I think is fun because a few plusses are misplaced or some conjugations are breaking things or other minor stuff. The fun is not at all connected to the 100% adherence to rules.
Jay
That said, I'm certainly not going to miss out on a game I think is fun because a few plusses are misplaced or some conjugations are breaking things or other minor stuff. The fun is not at all connected to the 100% adherence to rules.
Jay
Rel
Liquid Awesome
My warning earlier was aimed at the sniping people were doing at one another.
There is nothing wrong with the topic of 4e rules errata being discussed in the 4e rules forum. There is also nothing wrong with stating the opinion that one would rather play other games until the existing errata is incorporated into the books. That is NOT 4e bashing or edition warring. It's just a personal preference.
What's isn't ok is telling people what their posting options are. If you think a post is problematic then report it.
The same goes for if you have a problem with somebody trying to "mini-mod" you. Report the post! Don't tell them to "sit on it and spin". I almost banned jdrakeh for not coming up with a better insult if he's going to cross that line.
Now continue to knock it the hell off with any insults and snide mini-modding and discuss the issue or find entertainment elsewhere. Please.
There is nothing wrong with the topic of 4e rules errata being discussed in the 4e rules forum. There is also nothing wrong with stating the opinion that one would rather play other games until the existing errata is incorporated into the books. That is NOT 4e bashing or edition warring. It's just a personal preference.
What's isn't ok is telling people what their posting options are. If you think a post is problematic then report it.
The same goes for if you have a problem with somebody trying to "mini-mod" you. Report the post! Don't tell them to "sit on it and spin". I almost banned jdrakeh for not coming up with a better insult if he's going to cross that line.
Now continue to knock it the hell off with any insults and snide mini-modding and discuss the issue or find entertainment elsewhere. Please.
Once WotC gets over their PDF fears, I can see them moving to a print-on-demand service for DDI subscribers. Giving people the ability to purchase printed rules snapshots - not just updated for errata but also for additional content - would be a nice little moneymaker. Something similar might actually get me to purchase a subscription, even though I don't currently play 4e.
Paul_Klein
Explorer
It not that WotC won't or hasn't done this before. The 2nd printing of Star Wars Saga which came out in the last year or so, had all the errata right in the text.
I bought a new copy.
Regarding the PH1 and PH2 packs... no errata in either. I also got a 1st printing PH1 and a 4th printing PH2.
I bought a new copy.
Regarding the PH1 and PH2 packs... no errata in either. I also got a 1st printing PH1 and a 4th printing PH2.
jdrakeh
Front Range Warlock
I know, that's why it's so weird. They incorporated errata in subsequent printings of the 3.0 and 3.5 core books, as well. And, in fairness, they may still do it for 4e. . . but they sure are taking their time. My guess is that the DDI is a contributing factor to the delay (or choice not to incorporate, if that's the case), because it means that most people can easily get access to the errata.
Now, I have a laptop, and I could theoretically subscribe to the DDI — but I prefer paper books (both because I get migraines from staring at the PC screen too long, and because I'm something of a bibliophile). And I don't particularly want to spend money on books that aren't complete or corrected. And what about people who don't have access to the DDI at all (and who also don't want to pay for uncorrected books)?
Like Mistwell said, this really seems like a missed opportunity for WotC.
Let's all calm down...
WotC will update the books at some point (unless they want to burn in nerdrage on next GenCon). They are currently still ironing out a few kinks in the system, and I don't blame them if they wait with the revised edition until they feel the system is perfect. I'm sure we'll see another batch of errata/updates with the essentials and the rules compendium coming up.
Besides, there is an easy way to always have up-to-date monster stats. It's called DDI and printer. Several times, my players ran off in an unexpected direction and I had to come up with an encounter on the spot. No problem: Pick a few minis, look up the stats in DDI, print them out. Prep time: 2-5 minutes.
You can even do some quick and dirty customizations on the paper, like changing the name, or scaling down a solo to an elite, or bumping a monster up or down a few levels, or changing the energy type on an attack. You can even jot down hp and status effects.
And it's much much easier to handle encounters with different types of monster from different pages in one encounter when you have them on single sheets. Just put them in order of initiative.
In fact, printing out monster stats is now my main session preparation (I improvise most of the other stuff and usually don't have more than a few mental images prepared.)
WotC will update the books at some point (unless they want to burn in nerdrage on next GenCon). They are currently still ironing out a few kinks in the system, and I don't blame them if they wait with the revised edition until they feel the system is perfect. I'm sure we'll see another batch of errata/updates with the essentials and the rules compendium coming up.
Besides, there is an easy way to always have up-to-date monster stats. It's called DDI and printer. Several times, my players ran off in an unexpected direction and I had to come up with an encounter on the spot. No problem: Pick a few minis, look up the stats in DDI, print them out. Prep time: 2-5 minutes.
You can even do some quick and dirty customizations on the paper, like changing the name, or scaling down a solo to an elite, or bumping a monster up or down a few levels, or changing the energy type on an attack. You can even jot down hp and status effects.
And it's much much easier to handle encounters with different types of monster from different pages in one encounter when you have them on single sheets. Just put them in order of initiative.
In fact, printing out monster stats is now my main session preparation (I improvise most of the other stuff and usually don't have more than a few mental images prepared.)
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