What will Masterplan be after the C&D?

[Kafen]

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[doctorhook]

Kafen: Please end this discussion about WotC's legalese. I'm putting the onus on you to end this tangent, as you have been the one most responsible for continuing it. Feel free to start another thread if you wish to further discuss that topic. This thread is for discussing Masterplan itself, which you (and others) are no longer doing.

Here is my prediction of what Masterplan will eventually look like.

It will be almost identical to v8.8, but instead of being able to, with two clicks, download significant portions of the compendium, you will instead be presented with a compendium browser that will allow you to filter/sort the compendium. Making adventures would permit you to export those chosen monsters to an adventure file of some sort.

That's a possibility, as long as it avoids the issues that v8.8 had with downloads.

Personally, I think it's going to be some kind of integration with Obsidian Portal, as was being discussed prior to the C&D.

 

[Kafen]

Kafen: Please end this discussion about WotC's legalese. I'm putting the onus on you to end this tangent, as you have been the one most responsible for continuing it. Feel free to start another thread if you wish to further discuss that topic. This thread is for discussing Masterplan itself, which you (and others) are no longer doing.

That's a possibility, as long as it avoids the issues that v8.8 had with downloads.

Personally, I think it's going to be some kind of integration with Obsidian Portal, as was being discussed prior to the C&D.

Sure, not a problem... I will share the credit, however. People that go around insulting others like Kurt can take partial responsibility for their actions. If he wants to go around insulting people, he needs to hear about it, too. You are correct in that it is over, however. I am done with it.


Admin here. Insulting people, or insulting them back, does nothing but drag down a thread. In the future please report problems using the little triangular "!" at the bottom left of every post. ~ PCat

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I hope the new suite works with Obsidian Portal. I prefer it the OP for my mobile options. I could live with the letter being cause for a dynamic shift. It would make the whole thing worth the while.

 

[Kurtomatic]

Yes, you are using .7 lead. It is amusing.

You are certainly right about that; total brain fart! That's what I get for being in a hurry. My bad.

 

[malraux]

Here is my prediction of what Masterplan will eventually look like.

It will be almost identical to v8.8, but instead of being able to, with two clicks, download significant portions of the compendium, you will instead be presented with a compendium browser that will allow you to filter/sort the compendium. Making adventures would permit you to export those chosen monsters to an adventure file of some sort.

That's my prediction as well. Each item, monster, feat, etc (basically each database entry) has a unique id number associated with it. Were I to make MP compatible, I'd only store info about each monster ID in the save file and then load, parse, etc each item as it is called. It would make MP unusable (or not easily usable) off line, but I can't see how WotC would complain then.

 

[doctorhook]

That's my prediction as well. Each item, monster, feat, etc (basically each database entry) has a unique id number associated with it. Were I to make MP compatible, I'd only store info about each monster ID in the save file and then load, parse, etc each item as it is called. It would make MP unusable (or not easily usable) off line, but I can't see how WotC would complain then.

Remember that library files created by older versions of Masterplan will still be useable by v9.0, though.

 

[TarionzCousin]

Suffice to say that you have fallen into the trap many wingnuts fall into.

The most well known of which is "Never get into a land war in Asia."

 

[TheYeti1775]

The .dnd4e file format was carefully designed by WotC devs to only contain the same class of information that I inscribed on my handwritten sheet. For anything else, it links to the Compendium or the CB's local encrypted database. At no time does any .dnd4e file produced by the official CB contain any unlawful carnal knowledge, whether or not I have ever been or will be a DDI subscriber. I can safely attach the CB file for my 30th level Githzerai Monk to my ENW sig, and no one would care. (Seriously, no one! So sad.)

Relax, man; if you think simple character sheets constitute infringement, then you have bigger problems than worrying about Masterplan. Save the tinfoil for your leftovers.

Actually just tested it. Had a friend send me a character sheet for a 10th level Wizard, loaded the demo character builder to my machine here at work. And it pulled up the character sheet just fine. All the power cards and all. No log in or anything. While I can't level up or change the powers around outside the low level stuff. It technically violates.
Technically if I print the character sheets from the full version to PDF and email them to folks all over the place that are part of my personal game, but were requested (i.e. Little Bobby asks me to create a party for him). It would violate.


Far as Masterplan, I wish them well. Never saw the product prior to seeing this thread. Doesn't suprise me much since I don't look for 4e stuff.
I'm betting someone hacks it to make it get the latest out of the Compendium.

 

[malraux]

Actually just tested it. Had a friend send me a character sheet for a 10th level Wizard, loaded the demo character builder to my machine here at work. And it pulled up the character sheet just fine. All the power cards and all. No log in or anything. While I can't level up or change the powers around outside the low level stuff. It technically violates.

Wait, WotC's own program is a violation? That seems kinda non-sensical to me.

Technically if I print the character sheets from the full version to PDF and email them to folks all over the place that are part of my personal game, but were requested (i.e. Little Bobby asks me to create a party for him). It would violate.

Would violate what? Maybe the ToU of DDI, but I don't think so.

 

[Kurtomatic]

Actually just tested it. Had a friend send me a character sheet for a 10th level Wizard, loaded the demo character builder to my machine here at work. And it pulled up the character sheet just fine. All the power cards and all. No log in or anything. While I can't level up or change the powers around outside the low level stuff. It technically violates.
Technically if I print the character sheets from the full version to PDF and email them to folks all over the place that are part of my personal game, but were requested (i.e. Little Bobby asks me to create a party for him). It would violate.

Interesting result! Thanks for taking the time to try that.

Nevertheless, it begs the question "who is violating what?" The fact that a demo install of the CB will load, display, and print all the power rules info of a 10th level character is cool, but it is clearly by design on WotC's part. The CB is a first party application. The CB isn't a Compendium API client, it has its own copy of the secret sauce; using a local (presumably encrypted) database to pull the protected data. Its not surprising that the demo installs have all the protected data; if you convert to a subscriber, the CB client simply reflags you as having subscriber access, and voila.

Speaking of 'intent', while fair use is sometimes tricky business, the fact that WotC's own first party, free demo software allows you to view and print complete CB character data created by a subscriber means that free distribution of subscriber-created characters is likely not an issue for WotC.

Back to Masterplan; I suspect WotC is more sensitive to distrbution of the 4E monster catalog that they are character sheets. My impression of the Adventure Tools is that it's pickier about distributing monsters than the CB is about PCs. I also get the impression that some of Masterplan's best leveraging of the Compendium API was monster data for encounter design.