Daring the Gods

[Mr. Teapot]

With that in mind, and to make things more interesting/complicated, check out Divine Power, somewhere around pages 15-17. (see attachment).

That text box clearly establishes that the game intends for you to be able to worship multiple gods. "There's no reason why your character must champion only a single deity".

Which makes sense, since D&D is a polytheistic setting.


It's not like worshipping multiple gods will give you huge mechanical benefits or anything. It gives you access to a handful more feats, Channel Divinities, utility powers, and paragon paths. But not many, and you still have the same number of feats/powers/etc as everyone else.

On the other hand, serving multiple gods can make for interesting roleplaying potential. Beginning to worship a new god says something about your character and his priorities.

 

[Black Knight Irios]

That text box clearly establishes that the game intends for you to be able to worship multiple gods. "There's no reason why your character must champion only a single deity".

Which makes sense, since D&D is a polytheistic setting.


It's not like worshipping multiple gods will give you huge mechanical benefits or anything. It gives you access to a handful more feats, Channel Divinities, utility powers, and paragon paths. But not many, and you still have the same number of feats/powers/etc as everyone else.

On the other hand, serving multiple gods can make for interesting roleplaying potential. Beginning to worship a new god says something about your character and his priorities.

If WotC's wants you to take feats for many different gods this feat which should be something special for a single race is next to worthless.

FICKLE SERVANT
Prerequisite: Changeling or doppelganger . any divine class
Benefit: You can select domain feats for any
domain , not just those for domains associated with
your deity.
Also, you gain a +3 feat bonus to Religionchecks.

 

[Samir]

As a DM, I'd (house)rule that you can gain the benefits of any god in the pantheon, for the reason that Mr. Teapot listed--worshiping a god doesn't give you any mechanical benefit by itself, though it opens your character up to new options. Not particularly gamebreaking.

I also don't like PCs being forced to worship a god just to gain access to that one crucial feat/PP/what have you. It reeks of 3.x's alignment restrictions, for one. Limiting character concepts is usually a bad idea.

 

[Istar]

Generally, you can’t take the same feat more than
once, and most of the time you wouldn’t want to. A few
feats, however, specify that you can take the same feat
multiple times. That means you can apply the bonus
from the feat to more than one situation—multiple
weapon groups, powers you know, and so on.

Page 192, PHB

Okay, not overly specific is it.

 

[Istar]

Okay here is my reading on Avenger as a M/C.

My Rogue currently has a god Kord he serves.
When he takes up the Avenger M/C feat and takes on some multiclass Avenger ability, he discovers Moradin, and worships that god as well in all that is his multiclass Avenger facet, so he has a Lawful Good zealous avenger side to his character.

Lets paint a story and see how we interpret that into the rules.

Istar Blackheart is a an Unaligned Rogue.
He has been an outcast most of his life and hasnt belonged to anything before.
He worships Kord as he believes that you have to rely strength and martial ability to survive in a harsh unforgiving world.
Istar becomes a hero and in his journey discovers an obsure Avenger temple to the Lawful God Moradin.

Istar realises that his life can serve a greater purpose, he becomes a multiclass avenger of which Moradin is its god.
He now changes his name to Istar the White.

He still has Kord as his original god, but now he is also M/C into Avenger which has its sole avenger god Moradin.
He hasnt had an alignment change, but he now has an Avenger aspect to him that brings more zealous order and goodness to Istar.
His character is developing.​

 

[Istar]

If WotC's wants you to take feats for many different gods this feat which should be something special for a single race is next to worthless.

I can name 50 useless feats.
A lot of those are Race specific.
So this doesnt really add to your argument Black Knight.

 

[Istar]

Hmm, as a DM, I think I would say, sure - worship any number of Gods you like - but you can only take the benefits from -one- primary God.

With that in mind, and to make things more interesting/complicated, check out Divine Power, somewhere around pages 15-17. (see attachment).

Divine Power clearly states Avenger can worship multiple gods so thats my answer, cheers guys.

 

[DarkLord Of DForce]

Divine Power clearly states Avenger can worship multiple gods so thats my answer, cheers guys.

Yep, that's why I posted that JPG showing the insert from DP.

The question remains though, does it imply, while allowing an Avenger to worship multiple Gods, to also get the benefit from each? (and yes, I realize that we're still looking at a limited number of feat slots to cover all that).

That's the question, IMHO.

As I said, if I were a DM, I'd rule as I posted originally. Honestly, as a Player, I would understand that ruling and accept it. I might as DM, I say I might, look at what Gods a player was proposing to use, and see if it was more flavor than punch, and allow it. I guess I'd have to look at it case by case though.

 

[Istar]

Yep, that's why I posted that JPG showing the insert from DP.

The question remains though, does it imply, while allowing an Avenger to worship multiple Gods, to also get the benefit from each? (and yes, I realize that we're still looking at a limited number of feat slots to cover all that).

That's the question, IMHO.

As I said, if I were a DM, I'd rule as I posted originally. Honestly, as a Player, I would understand that ruling and accept it. I might as DM, I say I might, look at what Gods a player was proposing to use, and see if it was more flavor than punch, and allow it. I guess I'd have to look at it case by case though.

If you read that further down it says that mutiple gods add flavour and greater options for the character, they are clearly saying you can use powers from different dieties.
If they didnt think that, they would have surely have made that very clear, but they havent have they ?

 

[Black Knight Irios]

Even though this is a bit of a sidetrack on the question at hand I still like to bring it forth:

ATM, there is only one divine class left who must worship a single god and that must match the alingment of the paladin (or the other way round). The most restricted choice of a god from the beginning and there has been no free-ticket so far for them. I feel a little sad for them.

Why was there a need to loosen the restraints on avengers or even better why must the paladin still be the odd one who needs, as always (previous editions), some extra restraints.

Ok you can read the last sentence of the description of the relationship between paladins and gods as you may stray away from the ways of your god but the faithful shall h(a)unt you for this. Still not the same as a free-ticket. And even if you stray away from the way of your god are you now allowed to break the restriction on alignment?

Sorry for the derail but since Istar's question was already answered I thought you will forgive me.