Gargantuan

So a Gargantuan creature is 20'x20'x20'. He isn't hundreds of feet tall.

The Tarrasque has been described from 50 feet tall up to hundreds of feet tall. I think you're definitively wrong in your last statement.

The one about size vs. threat is entirely accurate though. I still feel like somthing as big as the Tarrasque just shouldn't take up those squares though.

Edit: Moreover, a Gargantuan creature is 4+ squares, not just 4 squares.
 

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If you look at the Gargantuan Blue (or Black or White) Dragon mini next to a PC mini, you'll see that a Gargantuan creature is easily the size of a building. That's BIG, but still fightable

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The Tarrasque has been described from 50 feet tall up to hundreds of feet tall. I think you're definitively wrong in your last statement.

The one about size vs. threat is entirely accurate though. I still feel like somthing as big as the Tarrasque just shouldn't take up those squares though.

Edit: Moreover, a Gargantuan creature is 4+ squares, not just 4 squares.
Not in this edition. In previous editions? Sure. In 4e is he is 20'x'20'x20'
 

Yeah, the PCs recently fought the Tarrasque in my game, and we ended up using one of the Gargantuan Dragon minis, which was successful. In the last session, they fought a gargantuan monster made of worms, which I actually put on some note cards to form a a 6 x 6 base, which was suitably impressive.

Some upcoming events might pit them against their choice of demon lords, two of whom are Gargantuan Plus, so I've been pondering ways to handle them. Turaglas, an ooze dude, starts at 5x5 and can expand throughout the fight. I'm not sure what the best way to represent that would be. Codricuhn, who is trapped in an immense hole and trying to claw his way out of the Abyss - and is literally orbited by small planets filled with colonies of demons - I would probably handle him simply as part of the terrain. Have some places they can attack and from which he can attack from. Maybe have them change and shift during the fight.

In the end, size isn't quite the game-changer it used to be, so you can afford to go with whatever you gut tells you. Want your Tarrasque to be 8 x 8 so you can use the enormous toy T-Rex you found on sale? Go for it. It isn't going to break the game, and if it helps make for a memorable encounter, then you've made the right call.
 

Not in this edition. In previous editions? Sure. In 4e is he is 20'x'20'x20'

Well, I'm looking at my MM3 right now, and it disagrees with you. The entry for Gargantuan says "4x4 or larger" for space and "3 or 4" or typical reach. I'm 99% sure this has been the case since MM1.

I really like the idea of making really stupendously huge creatures into some sort of composite/terrain/etc, pretty much an adventure all of their own.
 

Well, I'm looking at my MM3 right now, and it disagrees with you. The entry for Gargantuan says "4x4 or larger" for space and "3 or 4" or typical reach. I'm 99% sure this has been the case since MM1.

I really like the idea of making really stupendously huge creatures into some sort of composite/terrain/etc, pretty much an adventure all of their own.
And then you take a short trip to the MM1 and the actual Tarrasque entry.

Sure, DMs can make monsters as big as they want to, the DMG says that... but modules aren't written that way, and it'll never happen at an LFR event. There is nothing that states the Tarrasque is hundreds of feet of anything in 4e.
 


And then you take a short trip to the MM1 and the actual Tarrasque entry.

Sure, DMs can make monsters as big as they want to, the DMG says that... but modules aren't written that way, and it'll never happen at an LFR event. There is nothing that states the Tarrasque is hundreds of feet of anything in 4e.

Nothing in the Tarrasque entry itself indicates a specific size, so by RAW its AT LEAST 4x4 squares. An LFR referee would be free to use whatever sized space for it that he wanted, unless there was a specific note in the module. It is whatever size it is.

In any case we aren't talking about running it "by the book" here. It really doesn't matter. The question the OP asked was about how it should work. LFR has little to do with running actual games anyway, it's its own little universe. Not a terribly interesting one at that IMHO.
 

I realize that 4e is built for using a battlemat but I think this situation calls for that to be thrown out and let the gm describe how the PCs are situated or how the rogue just switched places with a village sized monster.
 

I'm currently working on a monster so big that it takes up one side of the battlemap, period. It can smash through blocking terrain and leave difficult terrain (rubble) behind). It is big and burly and bad news.
 

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