charging rogue really high damage

[gus87]

tel mee if im corect


43.025 DPR (Ch, Mount)]Longtooth Shifter Charging Rogue lv6
Str 20, Dex 17

Feature: Brutal scaundrel (Str Mod on Sneak Attack)
Feats:
Weapon Proficiency (Rapier), Backstabber, Surprising Charge, Mounted Combat
Items:
Vanguard Rapier +1 (Book AV1), Horned Helm (Book PH1), Dire Boar (Book AV1),
Bracers of Mighty Striking (Book PH1), Talon Amulet (RPGA Treasure of Talon Pass)

Charge whit combat advantage
Attack: +15 vs AC
Hit: 1d8 + 1d8 + 1d8 + 2d8 + 1d6 + 16

Breakdown:
Attack: 3 (lvl) + 5 (Str) + 1 (Ench) + 3 (prof) + 2 (combat advantage) + 1 (charge)
Damage:1d8 (Weapon) + 1d8 (Surprising Charge) + 1d8 (Vanguard)
+ 2d8 (Backstabber Sneak Attack) + 1d6 (Horned Helm) + 5 (Str) + 5 (Str on Sneak Attack)
+ 1 (Ench) + 2 (Shifting) + 2 (Bracers of Mighty Striking) + 1(Talon Amulet)


DPR = 0.75*42+0.05*66.5 = 34.825 (Ch)
with Boar's 8.2 total is 43.025 DPR (Ch, Mount)

if you use vanguard in of hand and get mage´s weapon rapier (Book AV1)
you can get Gorebrute Charge feat insted of Weapon Proficiency (Rapier)
then
when blodied
DPR = 0.75*45+0.05*68.5 = 37.175 (Ch)
with Boar's 8.2 total is 45.375 DPR (Ch, Mount)

hard to play unless you get a combat advantage feat like getting vicious advantage
and tagteaming with player that slows enemies

Edit

43.425 DPR (Ch, Mount)]Human Charging Rogue lv6
Str 20, Dex 17

Feature: Brutal scaundrel (Str Mod on Sneak Attack)
Feats:
Weapon Proficiency (Rapier), Backstabber, Surprising Charge,
Mounted Combat, Nimble Blade
Items:
Vanguard Rapier +1 (Book AV1), Horned Helm (Book PH1), Dire Boar (Book AV1),
Bracers of Mighty Striking (Book PH1), Talon Amulet (RPGA Treasure of Talon Pass)

Charge whit combat advantage
Attack: +16 vs AC
Hit: 1d8 + 1d8 + 1d8 + 2d8 + 1d6 + 16

Breakdown:

Attack: 3 (lvl) + 5 (Str) + 1 (Ench) + 3 (prof) + 2 (combat advantage) + 1 (charge)
Damage:1d8 (Weapon) + 1d8 (Surprising Charge) + 1d8 (Vanguard) + 2d8
(Backstabber Sneak Attack) + 1d6 (Horned Helm) + 5 (Str) + 5 (Str on Sneak Attack)
+ 1 (Ench) + 2 (Bracers of Mighty Striking) + 1(Talon Amulet)


DPR = 0.8*40+0.05*64.5 = 35.225 (Ch)
with Boar's 8.2 total is 43.425 DPR (Ch, Mount)

 

[Brys]

Seems like a one-trick pony (boar?). Assuming you can get CA before you charge, what do you do the next round? How many rounds of gimped "DPR" do you suffer from before you can set up your trick again?

 

[gus87]

i know i can make it playable but dpr gos down this is yest a build to see the possibilities

 

[Felon]

It's not just the rogue who can be a real charge monster. With the feats and items available, anyone can co-opt the striker role on a charge. In general, 4e heavily fawns on the melee-weapon classes.

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

Seems like a one-trick pony (boar?). Assuming you can get CA before you charge, what do you do the next round? How many rounds of gimped "DPR" do you suffer from before you can set up your trick again?

Getting CA the first round is trivial, its a baked in class feature against any enemy which hasn't acted yet and that's generally going to let you whack someone, move/shift, then charge. Toss in Badge of the Berserker for immunity to OAs on the charge and you are basically guaranteed first round CA.

Beyond that you might not get CA constantly, but what makes you any WORSE at getting it than any other rogue? Backstabber is a good solid feat any rogue will want, the rapier is a perfectly good weapon, even if the specific enchantment isn't the BEST one around.

This guy's 'trick' is a good trick, but it hardly requires the character to be so specialized in it he's even noticeably less effective without it. He's tossed 2 feats into this basically, and a couple items. If he wasn't a charger he might well still take almost the same feats, probably Weapon Focus would be in there someplace, but with a reasonably rounded selection of powers I think overall he's pretty effective.

Personally I'd be tempted to make the character a Half-orc though, but its a toss up really. Heck, going with a mace build half-orc might actually work pretty well for charging, a lot less reliance on sneakiness and flanking to get CA. With most of the charge nova damage not being weapon dependent (and less feats required) it might actually be pretty cool.

 

[Black Knight Irios]

Getting CA the first round is trivial, its a baked in class feature against any enemy which hasn't acted yet and that's generally going to let you whack someone, move/shift, then charge. Toss in Badge of the Berserker for immunity to OAs on the charge and you are basically guaranteed first round CA.

Beyond that you might not get CA constantly, but what makes you any WORSE at getting it than any other rogue? Backstabber is a good solid feat any rogue will want, the rapier is a perfectly good weapon, even if the specific enchantment isn't the BEST one around.

This guy's 'trick' is a good trick, but it hardly requires the character to be so specialized in it he's even noticeably less effective without it. He's tossed 2 feats into this basically, and a couple items. If he wasn't a charger he might well still take almost the same feats, probably Weapon Focus would be in there someplace, but with a reasonably rounded selection of powers I think overall he's pretty effective.

Personally I'd be tempted to make the character a Half-orc though, but its a toss up really. Heck, going with a mace build half-orc might actually work pretty well for charging, a lot less reliance on sneakiness and flanking to get CA. With most of the charge nova damage not being weapon dependent (and less feats required) it might actually be pretty cool.

Maybe you should have looked at this as well:

Str 20, Dex 17

By level 6 the DEX is far from being good. Less DEX means less initiative which means less chance of going first => less CA => less damage.

No defensive gear means that hitting him won't be hard especially with the low DEX.

---

If you want to build a striker that is really good at charging play a barbarian. They have an at-will (Howling Strike) that deals extra damage and can be used on a charge.

This is an excellent resource to check out for barbarians:
Appetite for Destruction: The Barbarian's Handbook (July 2010) - lordduskblade

 

[gus87]

if i was going to play it id go

38,.975 DPR (Ch, Mount) Half-Orc Charging Rogue lv6
Str 20, Dex 19

Feature: Brutal scaundrel (Str Mod on Sneak Attack)
Feats:
vicious advantage, Backstabber, Surprising Charge, Mounted Combat
Items:
Vanguard Dagger +1 (Off-Hand Book AV1), Mage´s Weapon Rapier +1(Book AV1), Horned Helm (Book PH1), Dire Boar (Book AV1), (Boots of Adept Charging(Book AV1) or Badge of the Berserker )

Charge whit combat advantage
Attack: +15 vs AC
Hit: 1d8 + 1d8 + 1d8 + 2d8 + 1d6 + 16

Breakdown:
Attack: 3 (lvl) + 5 (Str) + 1 (Ench) + 3 (prof) + 2 (combat advantage) + 1 (charge)
Damage:1d8 (Weapon) + 1d8 (Surprising Charge) + 1d8 (Vanguard)
+ 2d8 (Backstabber Sneak Attack) + 1d6 (Horned Helm) + 5 (Str) + 5 (Str on Sneak Attack)
+ 1 (Ench)
3d8 + 10 17,184375
Charge
DPR = 0.75*37+0.05*60.5 = 30.775 (Ch)
with Boar's 8.2 total is 38,.975 DPR (Ch, Mount)

Piercing Strike = 19,059 DPR

and tagteaming with player that slows enemies

i think id play it like that so im safe whit the combat advantage

 

[mneme]

This build is crying out for Flash of the Blade -- apply Sneak Attack damage with rapier if you're the only creature adjacent to the target.

Then play ping-pong.

 

[Black Knight Irios]

This build is crying out for Flash of the Blade -- apply Sneak Attack damage with rapier if you're the only creature adjacent to the target.

Then play ping-pong.

If you are a mounted charger you always fail the reqirement.

 

[bganon]

Mounted Longtooth charge builds seem to be pretty standard on the Charops board. I think you can squeak a little extra DPR out of it by going Avenger or Ranger. Yes, the damage is close to as high as you can get at that level.

It's worth noting, though, that without the mount the DPR isn't really that far beyond what any fairly vanilla Brutal Scoundrel Rogue can do (high 20s or 30 DPR is quite achievable). Brutal Scoundrels in general are the damage kings at heroic levels. However, pretty much any Rogue build falls by the wayside at Paragon/Epic levels (as far as pure DPR goes).