Why *Dont* you like Forgotten Realms?

[Diamond Cross]

Yeah, those two are pretty much hilariously opposite of each other. "Let's judge someone based on their works and how they act towards others in public" versus "No but see someone crazy hated this guy they're the same!"

She's judging him based on his work. You're judging an author based on his work. She's calling him a monster. You're calling Ed a monster. Neither of you have even met him it's just rumors and innuendo.

It is no different than you guys going after Ed

Well, I hope you idiots are satisfied. You got this discussion about the material shut down from your trolling.

 

[Barastrondo]

Well, I hope you idiots are satisfied. You got this discussion about the material shut down from your trolling.

There are, regrettably, two sides. In a thread where someone asks for negative opinions, there are two things that are asking for trouble. Yes, one is negative opinions that are unfounded (and honestly, there's a difference between a negative impression formed by an author's writing and outright assuming the impression is factual). The other, however, is attempting to prove someone's viewpoint as wrong — not factual errors in a viewpoint, but outright "this is too X for me" stuff. And that happened too.

Get both of those things in the same thread, yoicks.

 

[karolusb]

Some of my issues come from play, and there is no way around that. Blame my GM (who was a great GM that I enjoyed playing with). Regardless Khelben and the Harpers were our least favorite band (that GM never used Elminster actually).

The Harpers are a planet spanning group, alternately good or philosophically neutral (not FR's fault but something I dislike). They are supported directly by a list of like 15 gods, and according the Wiki entry the gods always agree with the harpers, even if the church doesn't. Yes it's a bad wiki article, but it matches what I remember, they are right, there is never debate, never hard choices, simple black and white harpers/other guys. It is a painfully simplistic view of the world, even for D&D. Combined with their influence spread over the entire (massive) known world and they come across as silly.

 

[Diamond Cross]

There are, regrettably, two sides. In a thread where someone asks for negative opinions, there are two things that are asking for trouble. Yes, one is negative opinions that are unfounded (and honestly, there's a difference between a negative impression formed by an author's writing and outright assuming the impression is factual). The other, however, is attempting to prove someone's viewpoint as wrong — not factual errors in a viewpoint, but outright "this is too X for me" stuff. And that happened too.

Get both of those things in the same thread, yoicks.

Yep.

Which was the entire purpose of getting people to talk about Ed rather than discussing the material. That was to create conflict where none existed for the sake of entertainment.

Well, I only hope they got what they wanted and are satisfied.

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

She's judging him based on his work. You're judging an author based on his work. She's calling him a monster. You're calling Ed a monster. Neither of you have even met him it's just rumors and innuendo.

Nothing wrong with judging. We do it all the time, judge and be judged. Judging people has gotten a bad reputation, hold it up like some talisman of evil. She called him a rapist (!). Cirno called him creepy. Big difference right there and finding equivalence in it is . . . troubling.

Plus Prof. Cirno posted Ed's actual typed words for all of us to make our own judgement (argh! that word! ), no innuendo anymore.

 

[Diamond Cross]

Nothing wrong with judging. We do it all the time, judge and be judged. Judging people has gotten a bad reputation, hold it up like some talisman of evil. She called him a rapist (!). Cirno called him creepy. Big difference right there and finding equivalence in it is . . . troubling.

Plus Prof. Cirno posted Ed's actual typed words for all of us to make our own judgement (argh! that word! ), no innuendo anymore.

Yep, it's like Nagilum says.

Ah well, say la vee.

(Which is how we Americans say c'est la vie)

 

[Philosopher]

No guys seriously he's not perverted at all!

The quote you gave was already linked to earlier in this thread. And it is immaterial to the claim you made. Once again, you said that Ed Greenwood "self identifies as a dirty old man" (your words, your emphasis). He did not identify as such in the quote you gave. Do you know what it means to provide a reference?

 

[ProfessorCirno]

She's judging him based on his work. You're judging an author based on his work. She's calling him a monster. You're calling Ed a monster. Neither of you have even met him it's just rumors and innuendo.

It is no different than you guys going after Ed

Well, I hope you idiots are satisfied. You got this discussion about the material shut down from your trolling.

Nobody called Ed a "monster"

You're taking this hilariously deeper and far more personal then anyone else is.

Besides, you're comparing us to someone who's flat out crazy. Seriously, you aren't making yourself look better. You're turning yourself into a scarecrow.

 

[Diamond Cross]

Nobody called Ed a "monster"

You're taking this hilariously deeper and far more personal then anyone else is.

Besides, you're comparing us to someone who's flat out crazy. Seriously, you aren't making yourself look better. You're turning yourself into a scarecrow.

Caw caw.

Calling somebody creepy is not really any differently than calling somebody a monster.

And all I'm doing is providing the entertainment you people are demanding.

You don't want to talk about the material, just want to bash someone, so I'm just giving you guys further reason to do so.

I hope you like it.

Let's be clear here, folks. If there's a problem with a thread, you report it (via the little triangular "!" at the bottom left of every post.) You do NOT take on the role of internet vigilante and try to solve the problem by arguing and posting Joss Whedon rape screeds. Similarly, everyone, you don't sink to personal insults.

PM me if this is the slightest bit unclear.

- Piratecat

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

Oh come on now. Get off the cross, we need to wood to stir the edition wars.