MERGED - "About Edition Wars" threads x9

[athos]

Saying things like "it's not D&D", "It doesn't feel like D&D" or any of the other myriad sayings is antagonistic and jackhole no matter how many times you try to qualify it with a "to me". The attack has been directed.

Wow, talk about a jackhole response... what are you so enraged about? That someone doesn't like 4.0? Get used to it, get over it, move on.

 

[Raven Crowking]

Would that it were so simple.

Cool, because it is!

Hosting discussion forums, where the content of statements can and will be discussed, in no way requires that the poster of said content must be told to agree with the herd or STFU. In no way. At all. It is that simple.

AFAICT, the point of discussion to examine what other people think and by doing so enlarge your own thoughts, not to prove someone else wrong, not to win. That is, AFAICT and IMHO, the difference between discussion and argument. Or do I have that wrong? Am I misinterpreting The Rules of EN World?

Likewise, going back to the OP, one can easily say "I consider you all X. Welcome into my big tent!" without having to thereby imply "Thus you must consider me X as well, and I may now force my way into your tent."

Do you really not understand the boundary differences?



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[Raven Crowking]

Wow, talk about a jackhole response... what are you so enraged about? That someone doesn't like 4.0? Get used to it, get over it, move on.

See? To me, this is the same as telling someone they have to consider 4e D&D or STFU. So what is someone doesn't consider 4e D&D? So what if someone considers me a jackhole? That is what the Ignore feature is for!

No matter how you slice it "4e isn't D&D" isn't a personal attack, and it is not Grandma-unfriendly. Likewise, "4e is the only D&D".

(Shrug)

Really, how important is the opinion of some random guy on an InterWeb forum to the health of your ego, anyway?

Again, tolerance is the only non-divisive, mature way to go.


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[Vyvyan Basterd]

[dated reference]Can't we all just get along?[/dated reference]

 

[Raven Crowking]

[dated reference]Can't we all just get along?[/dated reference]

Of course we can, given mutual tolerance and respect.

The only question is, are we able to give mutual tolerance and respect?

My reading of EN World's The Rules makes me believe that mutual tolerance and respect should be a cornerstone of expectations on this site. But I may be reading The Rules wrong!


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[Herschel]

Wow, talk about a jackhole response... what are you so enraged about? That someone doesn't like 4.0? Get used to it, get over it, move on.

I don't really care one way or another what anyone likes. You seem to be a bit defensive about it though so maybe you should "get over it".

 

[Raven Crowking]

As long as the expectation is that someone else "get over it", no one ever will.

 

[Herschel]

No matter how you slice it "4e isn't D&D" ... Likewise, "4e is the only D&D".

Actually both are equally bad form and marginalize other peoples' preferences. They are indirect personal attacks because they imply someone's preferences are badwrongfun. Saying they're not "grandma unfriendly" doesn't change what they are: passive-aggressive nonsense.

 

[Raven Crowking]

Actually both are equally bad form and marginalize other peoples' preferences. They are indirect personal attacks because they imply someone's preferences are badwrongfun. Saying they're not "grandma unfriendly" doesn't change what they are: passive-aggressive nonsense.

I accept that you feel that way, but I politely disagree.

I have never thought about rpg rules so deeply, or about what makes me identify a thing as D&D, as I have due to the discussions surrounding 4e. I know that those discussions have had an enormous positive impact on my own ruleset, helping me to craft something that supports exactly what I want to play. Without those discussions, my ruleset would be less than half as good as it is.

As has been pointed out already, EN World has an Ignore feature to help you avoid reading unwanted opinions. However, once those opinions are actually removed, there is no feature to restore them to those of us who find them valuable.

I am extremely thankful that EN World has preferred tolerance over intolerance, and not assumed "implied personal attacks" where none exist. It speaks volumes about the overall quality of moderation.


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[Herschel]

I feel the ignore feature is for chumps. It's a crutch to not be involved in conversation or debate by avoiding constructive discourse.

We may all have different ideas of what we feel D&D is, but when we present those feelings as "fact" in a way to marginalize someone else's choice then there is the problem.

D&D really is any edition of the game and any game taken/cloned/copped from said editions. Some just use different brand names for protection from international copy right laws. Which of those you play is your choice.