D&D 4E 4E Dislike - a hypothesis

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I’ve been playing D&D with the same five people for 25-30 years. We are not edition haters. Most of us started with B/X, moved to AD&D, moved to 2e, moved to 3e/3.5. We play 3.5 but still enjoy AD&D once in a while with the same characters that we’ve been playing for over 20 years. We gave 4e a try like every edition before it but found we enjoyed playing 3.5 more.
 
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I would add only, "de-emphasis on exploration; increased emphasis on combat" combined with "combats that take far too long (and thus individually bear a disproportionate amount of the weight in terms of a satisfying game session)".

Mostly agreed, though I would amend the second one to, "Shift in focus from brief, fast-paced encounters to lengthy set-piece battles." 4E is very good at the big dramatic boss fight, but it has trouble with the short, bloody skirmish.
 

Not the case with our group as well. Among the 9 of us, 6 of us started with 1ed or earlier. 2 others started with 3e. The other started around 2e.

We have all tried 4e. There is a unanimous consensus that it is not the game for us.

I think it is much more about what your group enjoys doing when playing D&D versus what past editions you have played.
 

Mostly agreed, though I would amend the second one to, "Shift in focus from brief, fast-paced encounters to lengthy set-piece battles." 4E is very good at the big dramatic boss fight, but it has trouble with the short, bloody skirmish.

You'll get no argument from me (at least, not in this case! ;) ).


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I started playing D&D in the late 70s. I see 4e as a well-designed game, but one that bears little resemblance to what I think of when I think of "playing D&D." I wouldn't say I dislike it or resent it, I'm just not interested in it. So I guess my case fits the hypothesis.
 

I should probably add that in my group of 7 people, there are:

1 who started with BECMI (me)
1 who started with 2E
3 who started with 3.5E
2 who started with 4E

As far as I know, everyone but me is quite happy with 4E. I'm mostly cool with it, but have some significant gripes, most of which can be solved with a few judicious house rules.
 
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I simply have no interest in the game. I've been through a lot of games since 1980 and a lot of rules changes/editions and am really burned out.
 

I probably fit the hypothesis. I started with the old Red Box, played 1E in to 2E in college, essentially skipped 3E with a few attempts to get in to it periodically, and came back with 4E.
 

Difference depends

On what people got out of their first D&D. People who started with 2nd ed. or earlier played D&D all kinds of ways that would be "incompatible" if tried at the same table at once. 3E had some of this, too, though not to the same extent, I think.

If you played Basic at my table in the early 80's, and liked it, then you probably liked 1st ed. AD&D at my table pretty well, liked 3E at times, and really enjoyed the resurgence of 4E. But this is not surprising, since I was always pushing D&D (and other games) into places that 4E wants to go anyway. (I've been consciously and actively doing battles that involve interesting terrain as a primary positive feature of the combat since at least my early Fantasy Hero days in the late 80s--and not just "set piece" battles either.)

In contrast, if you really enjoyed the kind of things that 3E pushes, and always would have in earlier editions, then you would have been mainly unhappy in any D&D (or Fantasy Hero) game I ever ran. (You'd have been pushing me to run RuneQuest or something similar, where I did play more in the 3E style.)

But the funny thing is that I don't think any of the current nine players at our table care one iota, about any of this. All they want is a fun game. I'm totally burned out on running 3.* right now, and I'm enjoying running 4E. So from a strictly practical point, they'd rather play 4E because that is the system that will get them a good game. Or we might play Burning Wheel. Just not anything that I'm burned out on. :)
 

Well, my impression is that the typical Dragonsfooter 1e grognard regards 3e as an abomination, like your wife turned into a ghoul, but 4e is so alien that they have no strong opinion on it. Meanwhile there clearly was a strong anti-4e reaction among some fans of 3e, which spurred the popularity of Pathfinder.
 

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