Tabletopocalypse Now - GMS' thoughts about the decline in the hobby

[Beginning of the End]

Actually ive been playing chess the same way for 25 years. But if the rules for the game have changed every year, and i missed one book of changes each yeart for all the years ive played. Thats 25 book of improved rules on the game that people now call chess, that ive never read or even know about.

That's nice. There are people who have been playing the same edition of D&D, unchanged, for 30+ years. The fact that there are other versions of D&D hasn't affected them, just like the fact that there are other versions of Chess apparently hasn't affected you.

And if you're really interested in reading about thousands of variations on the rules of chess, here ya go.

And if you're really interested in reading hundreds of books about Chess, here ya go.

 

[prosfilaes]

So the fact that retailers often inflate those numbers to make it sound like their sales are better than they actually are carries no weight?

Why would store owners lie to a confidential survey, and why would their lies preferentially favor Pathfinder? Frankly, if we do dismiss this and the Amazon numbers and the statements from Paizo, we absolutely cannot entertain the conclusion that D&D 4 is doing better than Pathfinder; we do not, and at the level of certainty we're demanding, can not, know that.

 

[Chaos Disciple]

That's nice. There are people who have been playing the same edition of D&D, unchanged, for 30+ years. The fact that there are other versions of D&D hasn't affected them, just like the fact that there are other versions of Chess apparently hasn't affected you.

And if you're really interested in reading about thousands of variations on the rules of chess, here ya go.

And if you're really interested in reading hundreds of books about Chess, here ya go.

Your post doesnt provide any proof of your claim about the thousand + year old books on chess.
　
Go back and try agian, or just agree with me that they dont exist.

 

[billd91]

So the fact that retailers often inflate those numbers to make it sound like their sales are better than they actually are carries no weight?

Sounds like an accusation. Got anything to back it up?

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Ladies & Gents, I considered posting several other sources (besides the wiki entry Chaos Disciple cited) that all agree that modern Western chess dates back only as far as the late 1400s to early 1500s, but decided to stick to my guns and not engage with a poster who disagrees with his own sources.

If he disagrees with his own sources, what makes you think he'll agree with ones not of his own choosing? Why are you still talking to him?

 

[Beginning of the End]

Your post doesnt provide any proof of your claim about the thousand + year old books on chess.

I don't remember making any claims about 1000+ year old books about Chess. But since you're interested, here ya go.

Any other words you'd care to put in my mouth? Any further revising of your bat- claims you'd like to make? I mean, if you just keep rewriting your position long enough I'm sure you'll eventually manage to make a claim that can't be trivially disproven with 30 seconds of googling.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I don't remember making any claims about 1000+ year old books about Chess. But since you're interested, here ya go.

Nice link- and I notice the first one about modern chess dates to the 1400s.

NOW can we just let him sputter without responding?

 

[Maggan]

NOW can we just let him sputter without responding?

Sigh ... ok, but that's not as much fun.

On topic then, I used to think that the health of the business side was intrinsically linked to the health of the hobby. Now, as the Internet, digital publishing and social networking has changed the whole picture, I think that the hobby might not have such as strong link to the business side of gaming.

Either way, it doesn't change my gaming, so I'm not losing too much sleep over it.

/M

 

[Chaos Disciple]

I don't remember making any claims about 1000+ year old books about Chess. But since you're interested, here ya go.

Any other words you'd care to put in my mouth? Any further revising of your bat- claims you'd like to make? I mean, if you just keep rewriting your position long enough I'm sure you'll eventually manage to make a claim that can't be trivially disproven with 30 seconds of googling.

Putting words in your mouth?? go read post #188 in this thread.


Then post a link to the over one thousand books (one for each year) you claimed exist.


Oh and thanks for proving to DA that chess really is over 1000 years old. You saved me the trouble

 

[jonesy]

...go read post #188 in this thread.

Hmm. What he said about what you said can be interpreted a number of different ways. One of which doesn't have him saying there are thousand year old books about chess, but rather books about a thousand year old game (which is what you said to him in the quote). And now you're saying he was actually talking of thousands of books.

I myself have a habit of getting stuck in semantics sometimes because I find it important to say what I actually mean, but this is getting a bit silly, don't you think? Why is this so important?