X-Men: First Class

[Mallus]

Both you and megamainia imply that "being a fan" is what causes the continuity errors to be painful.

How can you be a mainstream comic book fan and be intolerant of continuity errors (or their cousin, the re-boot)? It's like being a hydrophobic long distance swimmer.

Best single line in a movie ever:

" off."

Yes, that was a great scene. Powerful and economic!

 

[Raunalyn]

Both you and megamainia imply that "being a fan" is what causes the continuity errors to be painful. I do not think this is true.

You need to be a fan to know there were continuity differences, yes. But the desire to have the comic and movie continuities match in detail does not arise from fandom, in and of itself. I know too many fans who liked the movie, and accepted the differences with aplomb, for this to seem a viable explanation.

Then I ask that you please reread my post, as I clarified that I was ok with it once I discovered it was a reboot.

I originally went into the movie thinking it was a prequel to the X-Men trilogy, unaware that it was a reboot. Then, seeing the continuity errors in the movie and comparing them to the trilogy (example: in X-men 3, a bald Charles and Erik WALK up to the house of Jean Grey...yet a Charles Xavier with a full head of hair gets shot in the back in this one and loses the ability to walk. Also in X-Men 3, a scottish DOCTOR Moira McTaggert discusses a man who is in her lab that has no brain activity, but in this one an American secret agent Moira McTaggert gets involved with the Hellfire Club), I was quite upset.

It was kind of like watching the original Highlander movie, then going to see that abomination that was Highlander 2: The Quickening and realizing that the writers of the 2nd movie had never even watched the first.

The movie was entertaining, but the errors I perceived as continuity errors were what caused me to dislike the movie. It wasn't until the following day that I discovered it was a reboot, not a prequel. Then, I was less upset. In light of this revelation, I will likely rent the movie when it comes out on DVD and rewatch it with that knowledge in mind.

 

[Herschel]

I really liked it.

The relationship between Charles and Eric was kept as the main focus with everything else supporting it rather than supplanting it. McAvoy and Fasbender flex their chops. Jennifer Lawrence was very good also and she worked around in her story "space" very well.

Bacon's Shaw also was a good villain without chewing scenes and taking away from the central focus. That's not an easy balance to pull off.

The supporting characters again gave us some personality without imposing on the central focus.

I LOVED that they used the opening sequence and music from the first X-Men film because it was simply brilliant.

Continuity with the comic? My spare rat's backside is still in my wallet. I'm not a big comic book guy and what I have read contradicts itself already in those comics. What I did gather is that Moira wasn't a typical agent and was more brought in on the science side (ala Scully) and she's hot (also ala Scully) so it works well enough for me.

The recruitment scene was great and the hair jokes were well done also. Whil the Angel from the other movies wasn't born yet, they did keep pretty decent continuity with character ages from the other movies, epecially the first two (not including Ice Man either in the original group). They treated X-Men 3 like Highlander 2, and I'm okay with that.

All-in-all my favorite movie so far this year. I'm quickly becoming a 'if James McAvoy is in it I'm going to see it' person.

 

[Janx]

Both you and megamainia imply that "being a fan" is what causes the continuity errors to be painful. I do not think this is true.

You need to be a fan to know there were continuity differences, yes. But the desire to have the comic and movie continuities match in detail does not arise from fandom, in and of itself. I know too many fans who liked the movie, and accepted the differences with aplomb, for this to seem a viable explanation.

I'll buy that. As always, Umbran is being diplomatic.

i know people who hate every movie based on a book because it's not like the book. From Harry Potter, LotR, to comic books.

Frankly, these people need to get the stick out of their arse, if they're going to get any pleasure from movies. Either that or go to film school so they can learn WHY YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE BOOK AS WRITTEN.

Now continuity errors within a series, sure that's annoying. Some more so than others. Some I ignore, especially ones I didn't notice until somebody pointed it out (like Moira already being indicated as a researcher at Muir Island in a prior movie).

I didn't know this was intended as a reboot. Last I heard, this was what came out of the Magneto movie project, akin to Wolverine's movie. I do call shennanigans on doing a reboot. Reboots should be for old titles(like BSG which was ripe for a reboot and well done).

 

[Plane Sailing]

I quite enjoyed it. There were some good scenes, some good lines and so forth. There were a few 'changed powers' which I wasn't so enamoured with:

Professor X - I thought he was the worlds mightiest psychic, yet here he is just on a par with Emma Frost?

Sebastian Shaw - I prefer the comic book power of turning kinetic force into personal strength, speed and durability, rather than the film version of converting and storing energy. It would have been nice to see an older balding shaw as well, that helped make him an effective character when first introduced in the comics.

and a couple of scenes which didn't make sense to me
[sblock]young magneto sees his mother shot by a bloke, goes a bit mad, kills the two guards who were standing nearby but DOESN'T HURT THE MAN WHO KILLED HER? He's standing next to a wall full of machete's, but he doesn't even attempt to kill the man who murdered his mum? Doesn't seem reasonable to me.[/sblock]

and
[sblock]How does magneto manage to slowly push a coin through Shaws head then? There is nothing solid bracing Shaw in position, so a slow coin should have just pushed him over. It might have looked more dramatic as a slow coin than as a bullet fast one, but the physics of it irritated me.[/sblock]

Cheers

 

[Steel_Wind]

Then, seeing the continuity errors in the movie and comparing them to the trilogy (example: in X-men 3, a bald Charles and Erik WALK up to the house of Jean Grey...yet a Charles Xavier with a full head of hair gets shot in the back in this one and loses the ability to walk. Also in X-Men 3, a scottish DOCTOR Moira McTaggert discusses a man who is in her lab that has no brain activity, but in this one an American secret agent Moira McTaggert gets involved with the Hellfire Club), I was quite upset.

Professor X has regained (and lost) the use of his legs several times during the past nearly 50 years of the X-Men.

That's not a continuity error; that's the Uncanny X-Men, to a tee.

As for Moira, she has been an on again/ off-again human ally of the X-Men for decades and has manifested in many non-continuous forms. She's the Felix Leiter of the X-Men Universe.

 

[Steel_Wind]

and
[sblock]How does magneto manage to slowly push a coin through Shaws head then? There is nothing solid bracing Shaw in position, so a slow coin should have just pushed him over. It might have looked more dramatic as a slow coin than as a bullet fast one, but the physics of it irritated me.[/sblock]

Cheers

You had a problem with the physics in that scene? Let me assure you, the physics problem was wholly secondary to the medicine/physiology part of the scene. The location of that injury coupled with the slowness of the cut and it being in a vertical position indicated an injury that was near absolute 100% NOT fatal. [sblock] The hemispheres of the brain are joined well below that spot, and there are no major blood vessels in the injured area, either. If untreated, the infection might have killed you, but the trauma was extremely survivable.

Which, given the victim of the attack, is probably just fine in comic-book-land. [/sblock]

 

[Kzach]

The location of that injury coupled with the slowness of the cut and it being in a vertical position indicated an injury that was near absolute 100% NOT fatal.

Yes, doctor.

 

[Plane Sailing]

You had a problem with the physics in that scene?

Oh yes.

The location of that injury coupled with the slowness of the cut and it being in a vertical position indicated an injury that was near absolute 100% NOT fatal.

That I consider to be a feature rather than a bug, as it were.

 

[Plane Sailing]

I also found it mildly annoying that most (if not all) the female protagonists spend time with their clothes off, wearing just their underwear (or less). Moira being the most gratuitous example, Mystique being the most understandable, 'Angel' with her previous profession, Emma Frost (whose clothes might as well have been her underwear).

The striking thing is that this isn't particularly a comics thing; it all just seemed rather gratuitous to me.