[forked thread] What constitutes an edition war?

[DoctorNick]

What if I were to say something like: "In my opinion, water is terrible for you and no one should drink it!"
Am I still right?

Also I want to add that for you in particular, I don't care what you do or don't play. It really doesn't matter to me in the least. At least you're honest enough about it I guess. (Saying: They changed it now it sucks!).

What I am arguing about is the WoW references, the "dumbed down" statements and the "too complex" statements. I'm arguing the abuse of the GNS and the invention of terms like "dissociated mechanics" or "Gygaxian naturalism". You know, all of the stuff that is objectively not true that people use to try and objectively justify their preferences.

 

[AeroDm]

Hmm, after reading a page and a half of replies after my first post, I think I might change my answer to:
"An edition war begins when statements are more defamatory than illustrative."

 

[DoctorNick]

So you came around to the conclusion that the original thread was edition war, then?

 

[Redbadge]

If I took your posts the wrong way I am sorry it just how the few I read seem to come across.

It is annoying when people use passive aggressive tactics but I also think passive aggressive accusations get thrown around a lot on boards.

If I say that 4E feels to gamist in design and that is the reason I don't enjoy it and that is also the reason I don't like MMOs how am I wrong in my opinion.

I was just reading this post, and I suddenly got a little paranoid (because it's probably obvious that I'm enthusiastic about 4e). I didn't know if you were talking specifically about me, so I went back and read all my recent posts. Was this comment aimed at my posts?

Looking at them now, I see all kinds of ways to interpret them as passive aggressive. For example, I told bill d that I could change his feelings about 4e, and it kinda looks now like I might have said "you were doing it wrong, let me show you how", when all I really meant was that I really thought I could get him to appreciate it if he played with my group.

Also, while I really like 4e, I'm more concerned with the hobby as a whole, and would never consider previous editions or other games as bad.

So, if you were thinking of me with this post, I apologize if I offended you (part of the problem may be that my incessant optimism doesn't come across like I think it does).

If you weren't thinking of me in the slightest, please disregard my ramblings.

 

[Relique du Madde]

Case in point, the thread this branched from. It's ok to say 4e is dumbed down, and an MMORPG, and WoW, and a toy, and so on, and so forth.

Wait someone is saying disparaging things about other editions? Time to break out the red text!

You do know that the red text in the other thread was because some of the posts had Pictures of US Presidents, The constitution, Magna carta, Declaration of Independence, etc meaning it broke the NO POLITICS rule.

 

[TheAuldGrump]

Case in point, the thread this branched from. It's ok to say 4e is dumbed down, and an MMORPG, and WoW, and a toy, and so on, and so forth.

Wait someone is saying disparaging things about other editions? Time to break out the red text!

Did you read the forum rules?

If not then please read them.
If so, then please read them again.

There is a NO POLITICS rule on this board, and it is there with a reason. For much the same reason RELIGION is also a taboo subject - they, like edition wars, are polarizing topics.

Also, case in point, many folks on that thread were more than willing to poke fun at their own games, while you were selective. Other folks who were edition warring did get called out, and not just in favor of [GAME OF CHOICE]....

The Auld Grump, ever notice that no one ever pulls out Polk or Harrison for these discussions? James Buchanan would be a perfect choice for late 2e....

 

[Elf Witch]

What if I were to say something like: "In my opinion, water is terrible for you and no one should drink it!"
Am I still right?

Also I want to add that for you in particular, I don't care what you do or don't play. It really doesn't matter to me in the least. At least you're honest enough about it I guess. (Saying: They changed it now it sucks!).

What I am arguing about is the WoW references, the "dumbed down" statements and the "too complex" statements. I'm arguing the abuse of the GNS and the invention of terms like "dissociated mechanics" or "Gygaxian naturalism". You know, all of the stuff that is objectively not true that people use to try and objectively justify their preferences.

No I wouldn't think you were right because you are tying to force your opinion on to me. It is sort of like what an Aunt of mine used to do she felt that the only way to eat steak was well done and by god that was the only way you could get it at her house. She would not accept that there were different ways to enjoy steak.

You say that they are using these terms to justify their opinions about 4E. I see them as less justifying but more as way of explaining their opinion.

And even if they are being asshats over it why should you care? That is what I don't understand why people seem to take it personally. Do you feel that it is an insult directed at you because you like the game?

I don't think it sucks I can see what they wanted to accomplish with the new design. I just prefer a different game design.

 

[Elf Witch]

I was just reading this post, and I suddenly got a little paranoid (because it's probably obvious that I'm enthusiastic about 4e). I didn't know if you were talking specifically about me, so I went back and read all my recent posts. Was this comment aimed at my posts?

Looking at them now, I see all kinds of ways to interpret them as passive aggressive. For example, I told bill d that I could change his feelings about 4e, and it kinda looks now like I might have said "you were doing it wrong, let me show you how", when all I really meant was that I really thought I could get him to appreciate it if he played with my group.

Also, while I really like 4e, I'm more concerned with the hobby as a whole, and would never consider previous editions or other games as bad.

So, if you were thinking of me with this post, I apologize if I offended you (part of the problem may be that my incessant optimism doesn't come across like I think it does).

If you weren't thinking of me in the slightest, please disregard my ramblings.

None of it was directed at you at all. My comment about passive aggressive was not directed at any one in particular. I was just acknowledging that it can be irritating. And that I also think the word gets tossed around a lot and often is used incorrectly.

 

[Obryn]

I love how this thread has, itself, become an edition war proxy.

-O

 

[TheAuldGrump]

I love how this thread has, itself, become an edition war proxy.

-O

Nar, I just used it as an excuse to mention Polk and Buchanan. (though given the goings on at TSR in late 2e... maybe Taft would have been a better choice?)

The Auld Grump