D&D 5E 5th Edition: What will it hold?

[UngeheuerLich]

More DM centric books.

DDI for players. The way 4e is now, players don´t need books. And the DM´s always were those people who supported the group with books.

 

[OpsKT]

From the evidence that I have made up in my mind, I have come to the dream that 5th edition is just around the corner and I am interested to tell you what I want 5th edition to be like. Personally I don't want it to be anything like 4th edition. I believe cause the fairy tell me so that 4th edition was not accepted by me and didn't do what my lord Paizo wanted.

I want 5th edition to be Pathfinder 2nd edition.

What do you want out of the next edition?

Personally, I want the Hasbro Law Ninja to hunt down and kill all the edition war trolls so this crap will never happen again. PLAY THE EDITION YOU WANT AND STOP TELLING EVERYONE ELSE THEIR FUN IS WRONG!

 

[babinro]

Some predictions/hopes for 5e:

Streamlined Feats - Rather than print hundreds/thousands of feats that mildly differ from one another...instead print a handful of feats that are generally friendly to various classes. Example: Choose an damage type <untyped, fire, force, etc> and add +1 damage to that type per tier. This feat can be taken multiple times.

Race Progressions - As your class levels, so to does your race. This can help make every level more interesting and make classes played by different races feel unique. Using 4e terms as an example, every X levels you'd gain a Racial Feat of your choice for free.

Streamlining Bonuses - Make bonus types clear and easy to distinguish. Every item has only item bonuses. Every feat has only feat bonuses. Every power has a power bonus. Bonuses never stack.

Streamline Combat - Massively reduce conditions and durations so there is less bookeeping needed. Combat in paragon tier tend to involve monsters with 3+ effects on each at any given time. This is brutal to track. Increase the existence of powers that have immediate player benefits and board modification. Powers that allow significant forced movement, or environmental interaction don't require tracking and are still fun so long as they are more significant than just pushing 1.

Reworked Solo's - 4e solo monsters provides the mental image that a party can face off against only ONE monster and be challenged while having fun. The reality is this is seldom the case. Solo's can rarely be used on their own because of condition lock downs and dragged on fights. They need a major rework. +5 bonuses to saves is discouraging to players and actually promotes taking end of turn powers over save end powers in the long run. Give bosses different tactics and powers to suit those tactics as the battle progresses. Making them feel like three different creatures during the same combat. Take examples from bosses in gaming and how they cause you to change tactics as a player and apply this to D&D.

 

[FireLance]

Frankly, I can't think of anything that 5E can bring to the table that is not already possible under 4E. I think may people mistake the trappings of the system for the system itself.

For example, some have suggested that 4E has disassociated mechanics. To a certain extent, this is true - some powers have effects that can be explained by a variety of causes in different situations. However, the solution to that is for WotC to just create new powers for which the flavor and mechanics are more closely linked, and for players to not use those powers which cross their disassociation threshold.

Similarly, all that is needed for fights to take less time is for WotC to come up with a new official type for monsters, say "vicious but fragile" or "glass cannon", which have half the normal hit points and deal double normal damage. Fight times get slashed almost immediately for those who like it that way.

The psionic and Essentials classes also show that classes do not have to follow the AEDU power paradigm which was used in PH1 and PH2, and still remain within the 4E framework. Go one step further and you could get classes that could choose between gaining a constant bonus or a daily attack power when they level up. You can have a class that ranges from simple to complex within the 4E framework. You don't need a new edition to have that.

Seriously, what improvements could a 5E introduce that would be impossible (or clunky) in 4E?

 

[Dannager]

Oh good lord, ForeverSlayer.

 

[wlmartin]

From the evidence that I have seen, I have come to the conclusion that 5th edition is just around the corner and I am interested to know what you want 5th edition to be like. Personally I don't want it to be anything like 4th edition. I believe that 4th edition was not accepted overall and didn't do as well as the designers thought.

I want 5th edition to be able to go from basic simple to extreme complexity by presenting the game in a way that is suitable for beginners and becomes harder for the vets out there. I also want a game that will keep me interested from level 1 to the last level. I had more fun making characters in 4th edition than actually playing the game and that is something I don't want a repeat of.

What do you want out of the next edition?

I was going write something very horrible, stick it a big ball and throw it at you but I do dislike Trolling aggressively

There is NO evidence that 5e is "just around the Corner"
There "IS" evidence that WotC are slowing down their production of books, pulling minis and focusing on Boardgames as well as being very hush hush about new things however none of these things combined or individually amount to "5e being just around the corner"

If you have other evidence, please state it here. Otherwise please stop spamming the forum with this nonsense.

I can see from the tone of your post, that you dislike 4e is the reason you "want" there to be a 5e however your argument that it was not accepted overall in a justification for 5e being released is massively flawed.

The reception 4e got is NOTHING, I say NOTHING compared to what 5e would get from players now.

It really sounds like you prefer previous editions and there is a very easy remedy to statisfy yourself... go play them!

There are so many people who winge and moan about 4e being a poor version of D&D, they like previous versions blah blah. Go play the previous versions and stop clogging up this forum (which is a 4e forum right here btw) with this spam telling people you are convinced 5e is around the corner with no actual evidence and using only your "belief" that is massively bias because you dislike 4e.

So... I challenge you to put up or shut up.
Show us some evidence that 5th Edition is pending or just leave well alone because as previous posts have shown - this has been discussed in great detail and whilst most people accept that 5e is a possibility, no-one in there right mind would start a thread insisting they have evidence and then just start rabbling on about how 4e is crap.

Oh, and to your Question "What do I want in a new edition?" --- I would like some kind of in depth personality test that forbids idiots from playing the game, whilst I would hope I could get through the door I am pretty sure a lot of "other" people won't.

 

[wedgeski]

Oh for the love of god.

 

[delericho]

Um, guys, you do realise that every time you post to complain about a thread, it bumps it to the top of the forum, right? The best way to kill a thread you don't like is by refusing to post to it.

No interest means the thread drops to the oblivion that is page 2. But posting to a thread to complain about the thread is counter-productive.

To the OP: I've posted at length about 5e in the past. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to continue here out of respect for the wishes of the 4e fans who have spoken here.

 

[ForeverSlayer]

I was going write something very horrible, stick it a big ball and throw it at you but I do dislike Trolling aggressively

There is NO evidence that 5e is "just around the Corner"
There "IS" evidence that WotC are slowing down their production of books, pulling minis and focusing on Boardgames as well as being very hush hush about new things however none of these things combined or individually amount to "5e being just around the corner"

If you have other evidence, please state it here. Otherwise please stop spamming the forum with this nonsense.

I can see from the tone of your post, that you dislike 4e is the reason you "want" there to be a 5e however your argument that it was not accepted overall in a justification for 5e being released is massively flawed.

The reception 4e got is NOTHING, I say NOTHING compared to what 5e would get from players now.

It really sounds like you prefer previous editions and there is a very easy remedy to statisfy yourself... go play them!

There are so many people who winge and moan about 4e being a poor version of D&D, they like previous versions blah blah. Go play the previous versions and stop clogging up this forum (which is a 4e forum right here btw) with this spam telling people you are convinced 5e is around the corner with no actual evidence and using only your "belief" that is massively bias because you dislike 4e.

So... I challenge you to put up or shut up.
Show us some evidence that 5th Edition is pending or just leave well alone because as previous posts have shown - this has been discussed in great detail and whilst most people accept that 5e is a possibility, no-one in there right mind would start a thread insisting they have evidence and then just start rabbling on about how 4e is crap.

Oh, and to your Question "What do I want in a new edition?" --- I would like some kind of in depth personality test that forbids idiots from playing the game, whilst I would hope I could get through the door I am pretty sure a lot of "other" people won't.

Pretending with all your might that 5th edition isn't on the way doesn't make that happen. There is good evidence that the next edition is on it's way and keeping quiet about it is just pretty silly. WoTc is having lots of layoffs which most of where the 4th edition team. You have Mike Mearls who's articles talk amore about how D&D used to be and I believe he is now the head of the R&D department. You have lot's and lot's of people who do not care for the new direction that D&D is going and no amount of changing the current rules is going to change that.

You can say your prayer's be your bedside everynight but it still doesn't change the fact that something else is on the way. It may not be a book with a big "5" on it, but it's going to be a different beast all together. There is also a reason the rule of three questions are done. It's because they are trying to gather information about the next edition and how they want to handle it.

In all seriousness, if you don't want another edition then you should not have even posted here.

P.S: I see that you are new around here and I just wanted to say that disagreeing is fine, but calling people spammers just because they post something you don't like is one way to get booted from here. Thank you.

 

[wlmartin]

Pretending with all your might that 5th edition isn't on the way doesn't make that happen.

I don't have to pretend. If it happens, it happens. I just do not agree with people quoting opinion as fact.

If you think it will happen, that is one thing but to state that you have evidence and all you really have is rumor, that is just trolling.

There is good evidence that the next edition is on it's way and keeping quiet about it is just pretty silly.

WoTc is having lots of layoffs which most of where the 4th edition team.

Um... so your argument is that they are going to be releasing a new edition, requiring millions of $$$ in resources and a great deal of manpower to manage and your hypothesis includes the fact that they are reducing their staff? That is just backward.

Reducing staff is more of an indication that they are slowing down their operation, it is in no-way indicative of there being a bit project underway

You have Mike Mearls who's articles talk amore about how D&D used to be and I believe he is now the head of the R&D department.

A life long fan of D&D reminiscing about the good old days is hardly an indication of there being a new edition.

You have lot's and lot's of people who do not care for the new direction that D&D is going and no amount of changing the current rules is going to change that.

Some (not lots) of FANS not lots of Developers, not lots of Hasbro / WotC suits. Just because there are people who dislike the direction D&D is going in doesn't mean they are going to create a new edition to try and stick a patch over the problem.

I am sure in your house when a pipe breaks you rush out and by a completely new central heating system costing 1000s of $$$ however most people repair the pipe and move on. Sure, 4e may have holes but it is in the best interest of the fans and WotC to improve on 4e rather than release a new edition.

New editions costs millions to market and publish. Revisions cost next to nothing in comparison.

Remember, just because YOU feel like 4e isnt working doesn't mean that WotC agree. If you can find one reliable article that has a WotC Representative talking about how 4e was/is a failure and something new has to be done about it, I will eat my hat. If you are (and it seems you are) relying on conjecture and rumor as fact, then you really arent going to get far with this argument or anything in life.

You can say your prayer's be your bedside everynight but it still doesn't change the fact that something else is on the way. It may not be a book with a big "5" on it, but it's going to be a different beast all together.

Now you are contradicting yourself.
You are stating that there will be a 5th edition and now are saying that there may be changes that amount to a new edition over time.

I have never argued, in fact have suggested that it could well be the case.
We could well see, over the next few years important changes made to 4e, mostly via DDI that when you get the finished result and compare it with the pre-errata changes is what amounts to be a different edition.

Just to be clear.
If you believe that WotC are going to announce a new edition, that involves a drastic change pretty much overnight then I disagree with you on this and there is no evidence to support you

If you believe that WotC are going to roll out errata after errata over an extended period of time that will evolve 4e forward into something so different than it began then I will not argue with you point at all.

So... what do you think?
Are you expecting a dramatic announcement of a new edition?
Are you expecting the 4e edition to evolve and change over time (say a few years) to something different?

There is also a reason the rule of three questions are done. It's because they are trying to gather information about the next edition and how they want to handle it.

Hardly... You could argue that any polling done by any company could be used to develop a new product, companies all the time use feedback to improve existing products

In all seriousness, if you don't want another edition then you should not have even posted here.

This bit of your post I really didn't understand.

If I didn't want an Edition I should not have posted here.
Are you talking about posting in reply to your ridiculous post?

When someone makes an outlandish claim that something is happening when it isn't... People who care about the subject matter at hand are going to defend their point of view, especially when the person(s) stating their opinion are doing so by saying they evidence when really all they have is conjecture.

If your post had come 1 minute after an announcement by WotC on their website saying "5e is here, all shout and applaud" then your post would be viable since you are asking people to discuss something that is grounded in fact.

What you instead saw to do was project your desire for a new edition into this forum, tell people it was based on fact and you had evidence (which has now been revealed as supposition) and trying to put forward that 5e is on its way.

This is a good forum.
The posts that discuss core and key issues about OUR game such as new editions, new releases etc are taken seriously. If someone stands up and shouts that they KNOW something is happening, we want to see reliable proof because if it is true it expands all of our own understanding of the game.

If someone posted a thread saying "I know for a fact that the new July Errata changes nerf Magic Missile again" then that person best be posting based on fact because if not their opinion is worth less than nothing on here or any D&D discussion forum.

The fact is that most people who post here discussing such as I did above would do so because either a) They have the proof and often post with it b) Have seen it first hand and can refer people to it if need be.

P.S: I see that you are new around here and I just wanted to say that disagreeing is fine, but calling people spammers just because they post something you don't like is one way to get booted from here. Thank you.

I may be "new around here" but it seems like you might be either a) Quite Young b) New to the internet / forums etc c) none of the above but don't have the social etiquette to handle yourself well in a forum.

Spam = useless drivel that no-one wants to see and is full of baseless and bias text

Yes, whilst some may agree or disagree that 5e is on its way, your post is clearly spam that is (by design or unintentional) to enflame those of us who value intelligent and well thought out posts.


If you post had been "Lets discuss if 5e is a possibility, I think it could be because of X, Y & Z" then I would have disagreed with you but respected your post none the less.

The fact is your post was "5e is coming, we all now it so what do you want to see in the new edition" which was extremely assumptive and without merit. At first people replied to you by saying "mmmm you don't have any proof, you had better back down" but you didn't take notice and started defending your extremely weak position.

All i am suggesting to you is 5e coming or not coming.. discussing it is a good idea but in doing so please please please if you wish to discuss facts and evidence then please do so with FACTS and EVIDENCE... if you want to discuss your opinion, then do that. You SHOULD NOT put your opinions on any forum, D&D or otherwise, pass them off as fact. If you do, you will get the response you got today... people just don't like it