Tieflings are Draenai

[Trench]

HT's got it right. There's always a "dark" fiction counterculture. The current crop of "goths" may not even identify themselves as such. It's just permeated the culture enough.

Most former "goths" I know prefer the term "Cyber". And Steampunk is actually becoming a viable subculture... Kind of cool to watch it unfold actually.

 

[Relique du Madde]

This thread has it all...

WoW references

Factual ERRORS about multiple music scenes and the misclassification of multiple musicians and their respective bands.... and some corrections...

Anyways... I'm just surprised no one decided to use color replace on the images of the draenae and the tiefling to further the OMG WOTC IS COPYING Blizzard point.

 

[Satori]

Metal:

Grunge:

Punk:

Goth:

 

[Clavis]

Oy! No, you have it all wrong. Goth began in the early 80's with Joy Division, and was followed by bands like Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, and the Cure. Goth wasnot an outgrowth of metal, and Marylin Manson was derivative of many many bands and a culture he grew up in.

Earlier than that. Goth was originally just a form of Punk. Siouxsie and the Banshees were the direct precursors of Goth (although they never like being called "Goth"). Siouxsie Sioux (the woman Madonna stole her early look from) was hanging out the Sex Pistols in 76, and was part of the original London punk movement that got started after the Ramones toured Britain. The original drummer for Siouxsie and the Banshees was none other than Sid Vicious. Joy Division got started after the Sex Pistols played Manchester, but they never considered themselves punk or Goth. After Siouxie and Joy Division there where bands like 45 Grave ('79), and then Bauhaus. The Cure were never a "Goth" band, but were closely associated with Siouxsie and the Banshees (Rob Smith plays guitar on one Siouxie album). The Cult, however, was originally a Goth band (Southern Death Cult)

Authentic "Goth" died out a long time ago. What passes for it now is really Industrial, dark Metal, or whiny Emo, and bears little to no resemblance to the music of bands like Christian Death.

 

[Rechan]

You all have it wrong. Goths sacked Rome.

 

[HeavenShallBurn]

You all have it wrong. Goths sacked Rome.

Everything else is just a feeble imitator.

 

[Charwoman Gene]

Ok... And what are the dragonborn mr smarty pants?

The "Anthropomorphic Animal" race. AKA Tauren.

I'm 90% certain I'm paternally descended from the Goths.

 

[Ratinyourwalls]

So how would you stat up the Pandarens in 4E?

 

[Journeymanmage]

So how would you stat up the Pandarens in 4E?

You dug-up a 4 year old thread to ask this?

 

[Ratinyourwalls]

That really doesn't answer my question.

We really want them to be good monks so I'm guess a Dex/Wis or Str stat spread would be ideal.