Tiefling and half-orc should not be in the PHB

[Libramarian]

But too little symmetry is boring.

Why do we have to be stuck with humans, short humans, scrawny humans, and stout humans?

Can't a brother get a few big dumb lummoxes, horned crafty red people, and a sneaky green people?

Actually I agree with your assessment of demihumans as pretty much just short/scrawny/stout humans.

But my response is....then let's just have humans.

I don't much like other races actually. I'd be cool with ditching the race concept entirely. Unless they were really mechanically important, like race-as-class.

But I'm also kind of a pushover as a DM, so if somebody started a request with "can a brother..." I'd be like oh alright go for it.

 

[variant]

Actually I agree with your assessment of demihumans as pretty much just short/scrawny/stout humans.

But my response is....then let's just have humans.

I don't much like other races actually. I'd be cool with ditching the race concept entirely. Unless they were really mechanically important, like race-as-class.

But I'm also kind of a pushover as a DM, so if somebody started a request with "can a brother..." I'd be like oh alright go for it.

If the choice was between just human, and having tiefling and half-orc in the PHB, I would choose just human.

 

[tlantl]

Any space dedicated to other races is less space dedicated to the four most popular races.

See now there's a problem. Since I don't find the popular races to be any more important than the others or even plan to use them unless there's a mechanical advantage to playing as one, I need as much information on the races I favor as your with it and hip crowd does.

D&D races ain't a popularity contest. It's an equal opportunity employer. My unpopular choice is just as valid as yours is.

 

[variant]

See now there's a problem. Since I don't find the popular races to be any more important than the others or even plan to use them unless there's a mechanical advantage to playing as one, I need as much information on the races I favor as your with it and hip crowd does.

D&D races ain't a popularity contest. It's an equal opportunity employer. My unpopular choice is just as valid as yours is.

Your argument could be used for any race or potential race. Less popular stuff is what is called niche and should be put in expansion books or left in a tiny section of the DMG or MM.

 

[Libramarian]

My unpopular choice is just as valid as yours is.

No it isn't...

I mean that sounds nice but it doesn't make any sense in this context.

If it's true that only a tiny minority of people play anything other than the 4 core races that's a pretty rock solid argument in favor of removing them.

 

[variant]

No it isn't...

I mean that sounds nice but it doesn't make any sense in this context.

If it's true that only a tiny minority of people play anything other than the 4 core races that's a pretty rock solid argument in favor of removing them.

In fact, I think the gray elf, wood elf, and drow sub-races are probably played more than the tiefling and half-orc. Plus of all the lesser played 'core races' of the past, gnome would take precedence.

 

[Minigiant]

Any space dedicated to other races is less space dedicated to the four most popular races.

I haven't played a human in 15 years. My last dwarf was convinced he was a dragon. I only play halfilng with classes that don't match their fluff. And only play elves when forced.

I'm still mad at Bioware for making Shepard and Hawke human. If I want to play a human, I go to work. I wanna be a Krogan Sniper, sibling.

 

[variant]

I haven't played a human in 15 years. My last dwarf was convinced he was a dragon. I only play halfilng with classes that don't match their fluff. And only play elves when forced.

I'm still mad at Bioware for making Shepard and Hawke human. If I want to play a human, I go to work. I wanna be a Krogan Sniper, sibling.

The 'Tome of Races' book would certainly be for you.

 

[Oni]

In fact, I think the gray elf, wood elf, and drow sub-races are probably played more than the tiefling and half-orc. Plus of all the lesser played 'core races' of the past, gnome would take precedence.

I tell you what, if you put Drow in the core book, then you may as well take out all the other races. If fact you can probably get rid most of the classes other than rangers, too. That way we can use the rest of the PHB for describing the two weapon fighting rules. Nothing but Drizzts as far as the eye can see.

 

[Minigiant]

The 'Tome of Races' book would certainly be for you.

Why should I have to wait for a special book to play my preferred characters just because I don't like stereotypical characters.

I wanna play weirdos.

*knocks over bowl of vegetables*