Loaded Dice

[jasper]

The dice cheat is cheater, and the GM has no back bone. The cheater is changing the odds in the game where the odds matter. The GM is allowing this so he is cheating to null out the dice cheat.

 

[Janx]

The dice cheat is cheater, and the GM has no back bone. The cheater is changing the odds in the game where the odds matter. The GM is allowing this so he is cheating to null out the dice cheat.

Given past "cheating" threads, I think you'll find most folks don't think the odds matter in D&D.

Mainly because there's no winner. And the GM is always arbitrarily deciding your opposition. So whether the next monster you face has BAB20 or BAB15, it's all up to him. And he doesn't have to tell you what the odds are.

No Texas Hold'Em, you got a pair, and the other guy's on a flush draw and you're betting on the Turn that you still got top hand and want the other guy to back out. Yes, the odds matter.

D&D just ain't got nothing where players need to be calculating their odds and making decisions based on those numbers.

 

[Alzrius]

I'd be concerned. This isn't normal behaviour. A 30+ year old adult man using loaded dice to cheat in a D&D game?

Whoever is closest to this person should investigate the possibility of getting him some professional help. Don't be angry at him; but his behaviour is not something that normal, well- adjusted people do.

This isn't a gaming issue. It's a mental health issue.

I think that's an overstatement. Cheating at a role-playing game can be considered a jerk move, but I really don't think that it's so odd as to be a sign that professional mental help is necessary. While there's certainly some sort of issue with regards to why he'd do that in the first place, I don't see this as being so bad that it rises to the level of being a cry for help.

 

[Vyrolakos]

The next time you need to roll some d6's, borrow his set.

In fact, if you can get the other players onboard, the next time anyone needs to roll d6's, borrow his set of dice for the rolls.

See how that tickles his (and the GM's) fancy.

It's just too weird. Why would anyone use loaded dice in an RPG?

Does the GM show very strict adherence to other dice rolls in general?

To be honest, I'd be concerned about what other stuff this player is cheating at.

 

[Man in the Funny Hat]

Am I overreacting? Should I talk to the player or just let the DM's passive solution handle it?

Talk to the DM again. Tell him that it doesn't matter if it doesn't bother HIM, what matters is that it bothers YOU - and THAT makes it an issue the DM should resolve. If it were me I'd tell the DM that it's his obligation to correct this players cheating behavior - as in, it WILL NOT be tolerated, end-of-story. If he could not or would not do so then it would fall to me to take action directly with the player in question. If the player refused to correct his cheating ways well then I'd be taking stock of whether I was enjoying the game enough to tolerate such foolishness on the part of both the player as well as the DM for letting it go on, versus just leaving on general principles.

 

[DnD_Dad]

I used to play warhammer an found a guy cheating with dice that only had 456 on them. I played him and he beat me then I watch another game to spot the dice and grabbed them after he rolled them. I showed them to his opponent, the redshirt there an the threw them in to the busy street in front on the GW. The guy threw a fit an the manager told him he was banned for a month and gave me a box of night goblins on the house.

 

[Argyle King]

Given past "cheating" threads, I think you'll find most folks don't think the odds matter in D&D.

Mainly because there's no winner. And the GM is always arbitrarily deciding your opposition. So whether the next monster you face has BAB20 or BAB15, it's all up to him. And he doesn't have to tell you what the odds are.

No Texas Hold'Em, you got a pair, and the other guy's on a flush draw and you're betting on the Turn that you still got top hand and want the other guy to back out. Yes, the odds matter.

D&D just ain't got nothing where players need to be calculating their odds and making decisions based on those numbers.

There's a world of difference between the DM choosing to use a monster and loaded dice.

If the DM were the one using the loaded dice, would you still believe it doesn't matter that the odds are changed?

 

[Janx]

There's a world of difference between the DM choosing to use a monster and loaded dice.

If the DM were the one using the loaded dice, would you still believe it doesn't matter that the odds are changed?

More like it doesn't matter what the GM is actually doing behind the screen because I cannot actually lose at D&D. Even if I die, I just make a new character or get raised.

If you cheat at GenCon, at best, you'll tick off a few people. If you cheat in Vegas, they'll break your legs.

The consequences for a player cheating and the impact to other players is quite higher at a money table in poker, than what most D&D tables have going on.

 

[Richards]

To be honest, I'd be concerned about what other stuff this player is cheating at.

This was my first reaction. Are any of his other dice loaded? If he sees he's getting away with this behavior, is that going to prompt him to cheat in other ways as well?

I think I'd want to nip this in the bud before it manifested in other ways as well.

Johnathan

 

[Super Pony]

I'd just stop rolling my dice and just start saying how many 6's I just "rolled." I mean if the GM doesn't care about loaded dice then I should be able to be trusted to set the results of whatever pool or check I'm rolling for.