Pathfinder 1E What happened to "Basic Pathfinder"?

[Gundark]

As I said, Paizo IS supporting the BB, as in how I stated they were. Sean Reynolds has a reply shortly after Lisa's in that same thread that explains how this works. They have come out with a LOT more low level stuff in the past little while...and all of that can be utilized with the BB overall if you follow the advice in that same thread.

The easiest way to summarize is...the BB IS pathfinder. As such they are the same product line. Something made for Pathfinder is also made for the BB...just you have to be aware of the level 5 limitation in regards to the level limits of a product, and be willing to modify some events or monsters if needed.

yeah...see I am not interested in upgrading to (IMHO) a broken set of rules. I am interested in innovation and smooth easy to play rules. I realize that people consider PF to be smooth and innovative, I do not.

I do get the reasons listed by the Paizo people though for not supporting a "basic" line

 

[GreyLord]

yeah...see I am not interested in upgrading to (IMHO) a broken set of rules. I am interested in innovation and smooth easy to play rules. I realize that people consider PF to be smooth and innovative, I do not.

I do get the reasons listed by the Paizo people though for not supporting a "basic" line

I can get that, so does Paizo. Paizo (as long as you aren't in an official Living campaign/Organized play ect. at least) actually condones and encourages houseruling. The idea is that if you like the Beginner Box rules as they are, you can continue to use those as the default rules and use everything else in support of those rules. I suppose that would be it in a nutshell.

Play as you like, Play as you want!

 

[billd91]

As I said, Paizo IS supporting the BB, as in how I stated they were. Sean Reynolds has a reply shortly after Lisa's in that same thread that explains how this works. They have come out with a LOT more low level stuff in the past little while...and all of that can be utilized with the BB overall if you follow the advice in that same thread.

The easiest way to summarize is...the BB IS pathfinder. As such they are the same product line. Something made for Pathfinder is also made for the BB...just you have to be aware of the level 5 limitation in regards to the level limits of a product, and be willing to modify some events or monsters if needed.

Beginner Box characters are also legal for Pathfinder Society. So BB players do have a home in the broader, organized play community.

 

[darjr]

Beginner Box characters are also legal for Pathfinder Society. So BB players do have a home in the broader, organized play community.

Actually they are not, not out of the box. In fact there is a conversion document to make them legal.

http://paizo.com/products/btpy8qev

It's pretty simple and only two pages. It notes where in the beginner box char gen steps the differences are.

The transitions document does give you guidelines for converting other adventures to the beginner box by converting an existing free 1st level adventure.

http://paizo.com/products/btpy8uqm

 

[gamerprinter]

yeah...see I am not interested in upgrading to (IMHO) a broken set of rules. I am interested in innovation and smooth easy to play rules. I realize that people consider PF to be smooth and innovative, I do not.

I do get the reasons listed by the Paizo people though for not supporting a "basic" line

Well then BB isn't what you're looking for since BB is Pathfinder with some of the rules removed for simplicity sake and for limited options to available feats, spells and monsters. If you're looking for a simpler, smoother game that is not Pathfinder, then Paizo doesn't make such a product and you'll have to look elsewhere. Of course I've never seen an RPG that wasn't broken somewhere in the rules to someone - even if it isn't broke to you, it may be broken to others. Just like you're convinced Pathfinder is broken, and I do not. You'll never find a set of rules that all agree is unbroken. And though it may be for you, I don't think 5e will be any less broken than any other rule set. I don't think it will be satisfactory for everyone, especially not Hasbro.

 

[Cybit]

yeah...see I am not interested in upgrading to (IMHO) a broken set of rules. I am interested in innovation and smooth easy to play rules. I realize that people consider PF to be smooth and innovative, I do not.

I do get the reasons listed by the Paizo people though for not supporting a "basic" line

I believe 5E will satisfy your needs in that respect.

 

[Gundark]

Well then BB isn't what you're looking for since BB is Pathfinder with some of the rules removed for simplicity sake and for limited options to available feats, spells and monsters. If you're looking for a simpler, smoother game that is not Pathfinder, then Paizo doesn't make such a product and you'll have to look elsewhere. Of course I've never seen an RPG that wasn't broken somewhere in the rules to someone - even if it isn't broke to you, it may be broken to others. Just like you're convinced Pathfinder is broken, and I do not. You'll never find a set of rules that all agree is unbroken.

Agreed. There isn't a single game that I would consider perfect. Each game out there is "broken" to some degree. I admit I react a bit strongly in my distaste of 3e/PF , I ran a long standing 3e game at it all came crashing down as high level play and some of the design implications of 3e got in the way. IMHO Paizo didn't "fix" anything with PF, the analogy I use is that they didn't fix the problems with the house, just came in a rearranged the furniture. Now admittedly I wasn't in Paizo's target audience so I don't fault them for that. I will also concede that the issues I have with the game aren't a problem for others. I'm not trying to edition war here, just stating my preference.

 

[Gundark]

I believe 5E will satisfy your needs in that respect.

Yeah I am thinking 5e is more what I am looking for, as long as they don't mess up monsters and NPC creation.

I want to reiterate that my purpose was to not come in here and crap on what people like. Just stating that I probably would have purchased a "basic" PF line had Paizo created one. Had they made a basic game that was compatible with their APs ( they could have had a pdf on how to convert creatures/NPCs to Basic PF) they would have hooked me in. Now that 5e is shaping up to be what I want the opportunity is lost.

 

[gamerprinter]

I think D&D and high level play are intrinsically incompatible in any edition - 3x stops being fun around 12th level, while PF goes a little further maybe to 16th level fairly well. At least to me, I find high level play and fun as incompatible RPG concepts in general. I don't think it's a fault in the system, I think it's a fault in the concept of high level play. In my one venture into Epic play, the entire experience sucked - I don't ever want to go past 18th level in any system ever again. (It was never a desire of mine to play high level, rather a desire for one of our players, for why we even tried - I won't try again, however.)

 

[Cybit]

Yeah I am thinking 5e is more what I am looking for, as long as they don't mess up monsters and NPC creation.

I want to reiterate that my purpose was to not come in here and crap on what people like. Just stating that I probably would have purchased a "basic" PF line had Paizo created one. Had they made a basic game that was compatible with their APs ( they could have had a pdf on how to convert creatures/NPCs to Basic PF) they would have hooked me in. Now that 5e is shaping up to be what I want the opportunity is lost.

Been doing monster creation for 5E & DM'ing; it's very similar to 4E in that respect. The slowing down of bonuses makes designing monsters fast and simple.