D&D 5E 30 speed for all! Halflings, Gnomes, Dwarves were feeling left behind?

[Mistwell]

Yan, check out the poll status, looks like twice as many people want it to be 25 than 30.

Check it out yourself. More than half the people either DON'T CARE or prefer the 30 speed. So if you're going to appeal to the poll, your view of is in the minority.

I don't care which type of argument wins, or how it does so (popularity or logic or tradition), so long they are made aware of this.

You have a weird way of showing that you don't care which argument wins. For example...

Thanks Enworld, for agreeing with me. I mean thank yourselves, of course, for being reasonable, but collectively we can save D&D Next if we put our minds together. It might shock some of you but I'm actually doing this for the good of the game, not for acrimony or just to argue. I only argue to win something concrete, otherwise that would be useless.

OK, so pick a position: it's so important that it's about saving D&D, and those who disagree with you are not being reasonable, or you don't care. These are mutually exclusive positions you're choosing.

This week's L&L is more good stuff, but hopefully we can get all these bugs sorted out before the game goes to the printing presses and we can get a set of core rules qui ont de l'allure.

Regardless of what happens, I promise you, with absolute certainty, they are not listening TO YOU. They have professional paid consultants who they listen to, but they've made it pretty clear you are on their list of people they are not listening to. If something they advocate ends up in the game, it's mere coincidence.

 

[Derren]

So if you're going to appeal to the poll, your view of is in the minority.

Why am I not surprised that you reinterpret reality in your favor?
The people who "do not care" also do not care if small races are slower. So in the end the people who want them to be as fast as medium size creatures are the minority.

 

[Wulfgar76]

Then why so angry when you do not care?

Because I actually suffer from dwarfism, and full sized humans always seem to run 20% faster than me, and it ticks me off.

 

[The Choice]

At first, part of me went "Well, sure, of course halflings should be slower" then next I went "Then again, why should I actually care. It doesn't make enough of a difference and I'd rather focus on more interesting meaty differences between the races", but finally I decided to weigh in at "same as humans" for a pretty simple reason:

It makes it easier to play the game. Especially without a tactical map, where you can just assume that people can roughly get to the same places as each other without tracking who has a +/-5 speed difference.

If I needed to justify it to myself, I'd think about my Corgi with her 3" legs who can ZOOM along the ground, or any number of children I know who can easily outdistance me despite me being taller. Good enough.

I was going to reply that people who play gridless would just handwave speeds anyway,
but that's putting it even better.

 

[Mistwell]

Why am I not surprised that you reinterpret reality in your favor?
The people who "do not care" also do not care if small races are slower. So in the end the people who want them to be as fast as medium size creatures are the minority.

His view is both that this is extremely important, and obviously one sided. So when you combine "really not important" and "the other side", you see his view, which steps on two of the three questions asked, is in the minority.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

30 ft in 6 seconds is very very low. Even for someone with short legs. I would however like halflings and dwarfs to have lower out of combat speed.

 

[herrozerro]

30 ft in 6 seconds is very very low. Even for someone with short legs. I would however like halflings and dwarfs to have lower out of combat speed.

Why? I posted some links earlier that posited that smaller runners may have an advantage due to having to move less mass.

 

[Derren]

Why? I posted some links earlier that posited that smaller runners may have an advantage due to having to move less mass.

And yet somehow smaller athletes are not constantly (or even often, or at all?) winning against larger athletes and records for small people are not anywhere near the records for normal sized ones (and that doesn't mean only Bolt).
Also, this focuses only on running. What movement in combat also represents is slower, more careful movement where you don't drop all guard to get away as fast as possible (running). And the guy who only has to make a single step has a much more easy time to keep his defense than the one who has to do 3. There comes the point where the larger person can still move without sacrificing his defensive or offensive while the smaller one has to devote so much attention to moving fast that he can't fight as well any more.

 

[herrozerro]

And yet somehow smaller athletes are not constantly (or even often, or at all?) winning against larger athletes and records for small people are not anywhere near the records for normal sized ones (and that doesn't mean only Bolt).
Also, this focuses only on running. What movement in combat also represents is slower, more careful movement where you don't drop all guard to get away as fast as possible (running). And the guy who only has to make a single step has a much more easy time to keep his defense than the one who has to do 3. There comes the point where the larger person can still move without sacrificing his defensive or offensive while the smaller one has to devote so much attention to moving fast that he can't fight as well any more.

Because he was talking specifically about out of combat speeds. Which is more akin to endurance running I would say. Marathon running is a field where shorter runners are record holders.

 

[Derren]

Because he was talking specifically about out of combat speeds. Which is more akin to endurance running I would say. Marathon running is a field where shorter runners are record holders.

And also has hardly anything to do with combat speed or much with speed at all instead of endurance.

A few months ago there was a news story about some villagers who caught a cheetah with bare hands by following him for miles till he was too tired to move. So would you say that humans move faster than a cheetah?