Pathfinder 1E So what do you think is wrong with Pathfinder? Post your problems and we will fix it.

[Steely Dan]

4e just rolled EX abilities into the martial power source.

Rolled them into a non-traditional magical power source.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

The title says it all. Post what you think is wrong with Pathfinder and we will fix it.

Can you name one problem brought up and fixed?

 

[Imaro]

Like a PF or 3.5 D&D fighter falling 150ft and standing up to walk away from it

Or a rogue getting hit by a 30ft blast of fire in a 10ft hall way and taking no damage

Or a PF gunslinger useing his grit to do things no one else can do

Or non magic rage

If that is non traditional bug still magic then I say fighters always have been

There are super-heroes who can do these things... but not all superheroes who can do these things use magic...

 

[GMforPowergamers]

There are super-heroes who can do these things... but not all superheroes who can do these things use magic...

I agree a 4e fighter is no more magical then batman and 4e warlord is no more magical then captain america

 

[Imaro]

I agree a 4e fighter is no more magical then batman and 4e warlord is no more magical then captain america

Too bad the books don't define it that way... good thing the only requirement for an extraordinary ability is that it is not magical and thus can be the result of nearly any explanation that doesn't include magic...

EDIT: I honestly think the definition of extraordinary ability in 3.5/PF fits @pemerton 's interpretation much better than the definition given in 4e of martial power...

 

[EnglishLanguage]

Too bad the books don't define it that way

name one magical thing 4e martial characters do.

 

[Imaro]

name one magical thing 4e martial characters do.

Every power they use is magical... just not in the traditional sense.

 

[Ahnehnois]

Every power they use is magical... just not in the traditional sense.

Indeed. You can start right in the PHBI with the fighter power that allows them to do triple (or 3[W], or whatever) damage once a day. In every relevant sense, this is a magical ability. In a previous edition, it would have been referred to as a smite attack and been given appropriate mechanical descriptors. In 4e, it's a martial power. In no edition is that not a magical action.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

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Every power they use is magical... just not in the traditional sense.

The same way you use super powers to make batman even though they aren't superpowers

(M&m gives him gadgets and some times strik)

 

[Steely Dan]

name one magical thing 4e martial characters do.

All of them, they are non-traditional magical Martial Powers.