Godzilla

[Nytmare]

Yep. I think that makes one of the major points of the film.

I can't tell, are you saying that was a message they were trying to get across?

I see that as the end result of having a lousy narrative.

 

[Umbran]

I can't tell, are you saying that was a message they were trying to get across?

Yes. Not trying too hard, but I think it was there intentionally, just as the original Godzilla was a pretty blatant commentary on nuclear weapons.

 

[Joker]

I can't tell, are you saying that was a message they were trying to get across?

I see that as the end result of having a lousy narrative.

It was pretty obvious to me. Humans had no part in this. These creatures were completely indifferent to us. They weren't evil, just terribly destructive like a tornado. We just had to get out of their way.

 

[Nytmare]

Yeah, but that would be a disaster movie, and then all the human characters' activities would have been "these are the things that we are doing to survive."

Tornado movies, earthquakes, meteors, all of the activity is in trying to stay one step ahead, and of getting past the obstacles the disaster is throwing in front of you.

Here, the majority of the obstacles were entirely the fault of the characters "I wonder what happens when we get on a train full of lunch and drive into the monster's mouth?" and then, the way that they overcome the obstacle is to get beaten by it and wait till random chance saves the day.

The original Godzilla was about human beings using weapons that were too powerful for them to control, and about the Japanese feeling of helplessness over having a weapon like that used against them.

This new one is about what? America being afraid of nuclear waste but knowing that if they sit and do nothing the problem will eventually solve itself?

 

[trappedslider]

The thing sprouted wings, why the hell did they keep insisting that it was terrestrial? It was supposed to be Mothra, right? Why didn't they start calling it Mothra?

No it was never intended to be Mothra

Was there a scene missing or something with a monster caterpillar crawling away from the old Godzilla skeleton and attacking the power station?

No

The MUTO leaves Yucca mountain, which is still absolutely BRIMMING with radioactive waste to eat.

It heard the mating call of the other MUTO...

 

[Nytmare]

No it was never intended to be Mothra, No, It heard the mating call of the other MUTO...

None of these are explanations though. So an invisible caterpillar spins itself into a cocoon and turns into a giant butterfly monster. Were there reasons why they decided to make so many parallels and nods to one of the other big Godzilla monsters then? Why all the foreshadowing of caterpillars and coccoons and "MOTHRA" written on the kid's aquarium when the Brodys go back to their old house? Are you quoting a source, or stating an opinion? Did they originally intend for it to be Mothra, and then change their minds after all the footage had already been shot? Was the editor secretly trying to push his or her own agenda?

[EDIT - inserting playback of my stream of consciousness as to why I thought it was Mothra]

I see a broken monster egg, later I saw that it was totally different than the other eggs the monsters laid, so I'm kinda confused as to how that works, but at this point I'm thinking "dead Godzilla, these must be Godzilla eggs, now there's an escaped Godzilla monster out there in the world." The power plant gets destroyed, and I'm thinking "Godzilla destroyed the power plant, neat!" Years pass, Brody and son go to their old house, they get caught by the secret monster police, and they find...another monster egg. "Ok I guess, it must have been a mommy Godzilla that hatched and it laid another egg? Are they going to freaking have Godzuki in this movie? Oh, that's not Godzilla, it's some other monster? Oh it has wings! OH YEAH! The group is called Monarch, it was a cocoon, not an egg. There was that shot of the caterpillar, and the other cocoon and MOTHRA on the aquarium, this must be Mothra!"

No

Did they actually mention the mating call again at any point with regards to why the other MUTO left Yucca Mountain? I only remember the earlier discussion and then the explanation that "Now the monsters are looking for food, let's use these little missiles as bait instead of this mountain sized buffet line"

[EDIT #2]

Was the Brody family name a nod to Jaws?

Was General Whatsisface's line about "No more secrets" a nod to Sneakers?

Am I misremembering a shot of a destroyed Statue of Liberty? Were they in NY at some point and I missed it?

 

[trappedslider]

None of these are explanations though. So an invisible caterpillar spins itself into a cocoon and turns into a giant butterfly monster. Were there reasons why they decided to make so many parallels and nods to one of the other big Godzilla monsters then? Why all the foreshadowing of caterpillars and coccoons and "MOTHRA" written on the kid's aquarium when the Brodys go back to their old house? Are you quoting a source, or stating an opinion? Did they originally intend for it to be Mothra, and then change their minds after all the footage had already been shot? Was the editor secretly trying to push his or her own agenda?

Did they actually mention the mating call again at any point with regards to why the monster left Yucca Mountain? I only remember the earlier discussion and then the explanation that "Now the monsters are looking for food, let's use these little missiles as bait instead of this mountain sized buffet line"

Ever heard of the term "Easter egg"? That's what those references to Mothra were http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Godz...-Mothra-Naval-History-Breaking-Bad-43106.html http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/05...ssed-1426074?lt_source=external,manual#!SI4G9

As why San Fran it is a scientific fact that no giant monster can avoid attacking the Golden Gate Bridge...and honestly they were meeting each other and it was in the middle..... Taken from http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Headscratchers/Godzilla2014 which i'm sure will just add mroe to your dislike but i'm sure there's stuff there that you didn't even think about

As for the over all message of the movie for those who like that sort of thing :

Edwards: Godzilla is definitely a representation of the wrath of nature. The theme is man versus nature and Godzilla is certainly the nature side of it. You can't win that fight. Nature's always going to win and that's what the subtext of our movie is about. He's the punishment we deserve.

 

[Umbran]

Here, the majority of the obstacles were entirely the fault of the characters "I wonder what happens when we get on a train full of lunch and drive into the monster's mouth?" and then, the way that they overcome the obstacle is to get beaten by it and wait till random chance saves the day.

No, not random chance. Ford Brody. And that's kind of important.

This new one is about what? America being afraid of nuclear waste but knowing that if they sit and do nothing the problem will eventually solve itself?

No, not quite. The metaphor is a little less direct than in the original. Godzilla is nature. Nature is self correcting. However, nature doesn't give a fetid dingo kidney about people, and millions can die in the process of nature self-correcting. More, if we are really stupid about it. While humans are going to be helpless in the face of nature, people of strength and determination (like Ford Brody) can help mitigate some of our more egregiously stupid maneuvers.

Not to take this into the realm of political discussion - where the original was blatantly and explicitly about nuclear weapons, this one is somewhat less blatantly about global warming.

 

[trappedslider]

Was the Brody family name a nod to Jaws?

Was General Whatsisface's line about "No more secrets" a nod to Sneakers?

Am I misremembering a shot of a destroyed Statue of Liberty? Were they in NY at some point and I missed it?

Yes, possibly and There's a statue replica in Vegas