D&D 5E Sell 5th edition to a 4th edition fan...

[TwoSix]

I'd actually recommend starting at 4th level minimum, and preferably 5th level. For many classes, that's the point where they get their first notable spells, second martial attack, and it means everyone starts with a feat so folks can pick up polearm master or whatever to keep things a little more fresh.

5th level is a good choice, since that's when your proficiency bonus goes up to +3. Now you have 4 straight levels where none of the numbers on your sheet change other than your hit points.

My single favorite thing about 5e over 4e is the bounded accuracy, so I don't have to keep reprinting sheets and power cards every level because all the numbers changed.

 

[Pickles JG]

That’s like arguing that chess is flexible because each piece moves differently. When people, e.g. me, say that 4E lacks flexibility they are talking about it’s play style - not the complex levels of it’s ability to mathematically balance character designs.

If “no amount of optional rules in the DMG really make a difference” then we may as well just burn the lot of them, because that is all it is made up of. If you just choose to ignore that fact and say that the game is only going to be played in One True Way, then that is up to you. The options, however, are there still.

This is why I think it is a pretty terrible DMG - lots of half assed optional & other rules & random tables & magic items. I fail to see why it is such a great product.

 

[TrippyHippy]

This is why I think it is a pretty terrible DMG - lots of half assed optional & other rules & random tables & magic items. I fail to see why it is such a great product.

Well it has a 90+% approval on this site, so maybe you could find out about it from what the reviews say.

What I fail to see is why so many 5E haters are convalescing together on this thread, in a 5E forum. It’s like a lonely hearts club or something.

 

[Neonchameleon]

Well it has a 90+% approval on this site, so maybe you could find out about it from what the reviews say.

What I fail to see is why so many 5E haters are convalescing together on this thread, in a 5E forum. It’s like a lonely hearts club or something.

What I fail to see is why someone who has been censured for edition warring is still in this thread. I also fail to see any haters of 5e round here - just people who think that 5e does some things pretty well and others not so well rather than is the second coming of Gygax.

 

[TrippyHippy]

What I fail to see is why someone who has been censured for edition warring is still in this thread. I also fail to see any haters of 5e round here - just people who think that 5e does some things pretty well and others not so well rather than is the second coming of Gygax.

Well, I’d be happy to see some more moderation on this thread as it stands - it’s starting to go beyond the pale. This is a 5E forum.

EDIT: Well I’ve reported the thread now so that is that now from me. I do note that Neonchameleon has now used the ‘laugh’ mechanism as a form of aggressive sarcasm twice now on this thread towards me, so he’s now on the ignore list too.

Edit again: Well, a dog pile now is it? All having a good laugh at the one guy. Bullies all pulling together, eh? Nice.

 

[Pickles JG]

Well it has a 90+% approval on this site, so maybe you could find out about it from what the reviews say.

What I fail to see is why so many 5E haters are convalescing together on this thread, in a 5E forum. It’s like a lonely hearts club or something.

I am not a 5e hater - I think the 5e PHB is amazingly good & the MM is decent. It's just the DMG & DMGs are a hard sell to me anyway.


Part of the problem with 5e is it was sold as everything to all people.
In the run up & from the playtests I got a feel for a very simplistic game, it's like people keep telling me I want to play Carcassone as it's the best thing ever but I want to play ASL.


In practice I have really enjoyed playing it, well running it - my play experiences have been mixed but not for any fault of the game.

 

[Eric V]

What I fail to see is why someone who has been censured for edition warring is still in this thread. I also fail to see any haters of 5e round here - just people who think that 5e does some things pretty well and others not so well rather than is the second coming of Gygax.

You don't see any 5e haters here because there aren't any!

I feel 5e is close to being what I want, but is just a few steps short...steps 4e happened to do well (I just spent an afternoon trying to make monsters using the 5e DMG, so yeah, I am missing that aspect of 4e a lot!)

I am hoping the next Monster Manual (or FF, or whatever) does a more complete job with monster details, especially those they envision using magic. That would be one of the tougher points for whomever from the OP's original group is going to DM to swallow. :/

 

[Imaro]

I also fail to see any haters of 5e round here - just people who think that 5e does some things pretty well and others not so well rather than is the second coming of Gygax.

Hey [MENTION=87792]Neonchameleon[/MENTION] I'd be interested in seeing some of the posts where you've talked about what exactly you think 5e does well...

 

[keterys]

There've been some pointed responses lately that should have been resolved as Reports, Ignores, possibly PMs, or just generally avoiding being confrontational for no good reason. Keep the thread about the thread, not about personal beefs with other posters.

/ModHat

 

[Elderbrain]

Beating up on somebody's favorite edition isn't going to win any friends, and attacking 4th edition is no way to persuade a fan to consider converting to 5th!

To the point, Parhadokzal, 5th is a different game from 4th. The books, especially the DMG, do have some options specifically aimed at 4e players (the inclusion of the Dawn War pantheon, Dragonborn and Eladrin, marking, healing surges, etc.) but 5e simply is not built to emulate the tactical combat style of 4e, plain and simple. Eating an apple is always going to taste different from eating an orange. That doesn't make either apples or oranges "bad". I hope that some of the negative things said in this thread haven't completely alienated you from trying 5e, because the game is better than some of the people who play it. (Including me... I've said/typed things I regret before. Easy to do when you're on the internet and not face to face!) Anyway you can try it for free, so if you don't like it, you've lost nothing but a few hours of your time.