D&D 5E So what exactly is Wizards working on?

LOL how does "they are putting out books" (i.e., 2-4 per year as suggested above) ... by the way books that are not likely to be designed in-house ... answer much less contradict the statement that D&D is an afterthought for WotC? Putting core books on the shelf creates market presence. Printing a minimal amount of follow up just ensures book stores keep at least a copy of the PHB in stock next to the Pathfinder stuff. Meanwhile, WotC prints increasing amounts of MtG (despite all this "more is worse" talk LOL), which is the real focus. I'm not blaming them. I'm not criticizing a business for focusing on what makes them money. Rather, my point is WotC does not care about D&D as a table top RPG. People like me, who figured 5E would mark the return to some semblance of product support not seen since 2010, are bound to be disappointed. That is not the same thing as thinking WotC cares about me or people like me. I know they don't.

All that being said, I think I will go buy some Pathfinder stuff now. Never thought I would say that again.
 

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D&D is most certainly an afterthought qua tabletop RPG product line. That is the conclusion of your entire post. I've posted the same thing for the last few days.

We're perfectly in agreement on that point, I was just drawing the distinction between "D&D the tabletop RPG product line" and "D&D the Intellectual Property, that still stands to make WotC / Hasbro a buttload of money, potentially on the scale of Transformers."

Not saying there was any confusion on your part about the difference, but I keep seeing people argue that what Wizards' is doing with the pen-and-paper game's release schedule is shooting themselves in the foot because all they're focusing on is the hardcover sales.

I'm just pointing out to others that hardcover sales are small potatoes and Wizards has decided they don't want to waste all that time and effort on putting them out for such meager returns.
 
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[MENTION=6701829]Trickster Spirit[/MENTION]

I think your theory is especially supported by the decision to farm out the D&D board games to WizKids. If WotC is not even willing to produce top selling D&D items in-house, we should certainly not expect much from them in terms of RPG accessories.

I guess it's good news for people who like CRPGs set in the FR, however. And by "CRPG" I am of course referring to an iPhone app.
 


@Trickster Spirit

I think your theory is especially supported by the decision to farm out the D&D board games to WizKids. If WotC is not even willing to produce top selling D&D items in-house, we should certainly not expect much from them in terms of RPG accessories.

I think you're right. The game will never again see pre-2010 levels of support.

I think we'll continue to see what they've been putting out so far - two big adventure paths a year and accompanying supplements taking the form of hardcover Player's Companions or free online PDFs. Plus a monthly Unearthed Arcana article with first passes of new rules, which they'll likely playtest, revise and compile into a hardcover sourcebook after a year or two.

Short of canceling the product line entirely, there's only room for that schedule to grow. There are 9 and a half months left in 2015 - assuming product announcements six months in advance, that gives them three and a half more months to announce a non-adventure path product to be released in Q4 2015, whether that is a campaign setting guide, monster book or player's option book with feats and sub-classes.

I'm betting that such a product will be announced, though I wouldn't quit playing 5E just because it doesn't. I like supplements, they add new things to the game to keep it fresh and fun, but everyone has a different bar for how long it takes for a game to become "unfresh" and "unfun". I see myself as several years away from that point and conceivably they could take that long to produce a supplement for the game before I lose interest in 5E as a whole. For others, the sheen of a new edition wears off more quickly, and without ongoing support they're feeling lured away by other games.

Unfortunately for said players, Wizards doesn't appear to have much interest in the game supplement business anymore, so if 5E as it stands right now isn't enough to keep you onboard, you should go ahead and look at alternatives.

My dream is that they manage to invest enough manpower into setting up Dungeon and Dragon again. They could rely on primarily user submitted content and even have a third party publisher manage it again if the size of the D&D team means editing in-house is infeasible. A monthly fix of D&D content at a fraction of the cost of monthly hardcovers? I'd play D&D forever with that alone.

I guess it's good news for people who like CRPGs set in the FR, however. And by "CRPG" I am of course referring to an iPhone app.

Eh, I dunno - I've not followed Sword Coast Legends or the MMO development (seriously, why are people still making MMOs?), but they're both proper games so I think saying all we'll get is iPhone apps is a tad uncharitable.

If they were smart, they'd work something out with Beamdog, the studio that recently put out the remastered and expanded Baldur's Gate games. Those have gone over fairly well and they've expressed interest in making BG III.

I'm just praying they don't let Electronic Arts get their claws in a D&D video game franchise. Nothing good can come of that.
 



if 5E as it stands right now isn't enough to keep you onboard, you should go ahead and look at alternatives
There are many other RPGs out there but I don't know that makes them alternatives to 5E. It occupies a nice middle of the road position between Pathfinder and OSR. It is easy to get started on a moment's notice but there is still a good amount of crunch under the hood. Frankly, I wish WotC had come up with 5E back in 2000, or even 2008, when they were still interested in producing a RPG. In 2015, they have a great system but they aren't willing to do much of anything with it.
even have a third party publisher manage it again
I doubt they will ever create another Paizo.
 


This thread has finally convinced me to stop reading ENWorld discussions for a while.

Once again, the same people saying the same things over and over and over. Just the front page for me.
 

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