D&D 5E How many fans want a 5E Warlord?

[FormerlyHemlock]

5e /does/ have skills and the proficiency bonus, so it's not quite as character-independent as all that.

It has skills, but they're not the same kind of skills that Julius Caesar displayed. They're D&D-oriented skills like Stealth, Survival, and Athletics. There is no "Literature" skill, or "Political acumen" or "Horse-trading" or "Military Strategy". If such things were mechanically modelled in 5E at all it would be with raw ability checks, which are unaffected by any skills (unless you are a bard, so I guess bards make good generals). More likely though they'd be handled with pure RP.

 

[Guest 6801328]

The thing is caesar didn't have one shred of magical ability

Which historical figure are you contrasting him with? One that did have magical skills?

, but he's up there with alexander the great because of his skills.

There is currently no class in 5e that can do what he did, and building him as a fighter feels wrong.

It's why we need a warlord class. To get the option of a high int/wis/cha martial expert that doesn't feel suboptimal.

We need a class that many people detest because building it as a fighter "feels wrong"?

Wait...are you an anti-Warlord guy trying to make the pro-Warlord contingent look bad?

 

[Shades of Eternity]

That's my point: you don't need any class of any kind to replicate Julius Caesar. He could be a 0th level NPC and would work just fine.

Actually, Caesar works worse as a high-level fighter than a 0th level NPC because if he's a high-level fighter he can just tank all the Senators and Brutus combined, tiny daggers notwithstanding, kill them all and rule Rome as a tyrant.

no, Julius Caesar, one of the greatest leaders of western civilization is not a 0th level commoner. Sorry, that's like saying Rincewind could do Elminister's job. :X

He's also not a high level fighter, because he wasn't known for his fighting ability, but his leadership. In dnd terms, that translates to bonuses to his buddies.

Wait...which historical figure are you contrasting him with? One that did have magical skills?

We need a class that many people detest because building it as a fighter "feels wrong"?

Wait...are you an anti-Warlord guy trying to make the pro-Warlord contingent look bad?

not sure what you want, but show me, in the rules, how to build a high Int/wis/cha martial character that gives bonuses and is competitive with the spellcasters within his/her particular niche in 5e.

 

[FormerlyHemlock]

no, Julius Caesar, one of the greatest leaders of western civilization is not a 0th level commoner.

What an interesting prejudice.

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

How many fans want a 5E Warlord?

ALL OF THEM, THEY JUST DON'T ALL KNOW IT YET!

 

[Shades of Eternity]

What an interesting prejudice.

Dude, he never would have survived at sea if he were 0th level.

 

[steeldragons]

The poll isn't meaningful. But, that's not what the number show. The numbers how that 2/3rds of respondents want the warlord, 1/3rd don't, and 3/4rs go for click bait.

2:1 in favor of the Warlord.

/Now/ do you agree that self-selecting polls with non-sequitur click bait aren't meaningful?

I still have no clue where you're getting 2:1 in favor. Every time I have looked at this poll for the past 18 days...which, let's be honest, has been much more often than it has any right to be...the blue lemon curry line/percentage has been longer than the red line and the numbers have been a solid 10-12%, recently hovering around a consistent 15-20% (for the last week or so), more "Lemon Curry" than "I want a Warlord."

Don't bother explaining how you're rationalizing a 2:1 in favor. It's not going to matter. People have been saying "ignore the poll" practically since the thread began and showed a consistent trend that said people would rather lemon curry than a warlord. Folks that want one will still want one..and argue about what a "warlord" actually is and how it needs to be demonstrated mechanically or it won't count/be good enough.

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

Sorry but I just don't agree with that analysis, and the constant repeating of it doesn't make it true. If content becomes official it's non-trivial to play without it....

Horsefeathers! You people just want to be justified in your despite of 4e if you ask me. There can't be a 5e warlord because it might call into question all the bad sportsmanship of past days. Let it go. There's no substantial RPG where everyone likes every single bit of the game and every option, but there needs to be something for everyone, and all that's required for a piece of material to be worth adding to the game is that it provides some pleasure and satisfaction to some modicum of people who play it.

 

[Guest 6801328]

Horsefeathers! You people just want to be justified in your despite of 4e if you ask me. There can't be a 5e warlord because it might call into question all the bad sportsmanship of past days. Let it go. There's no substantial RPG where everyone likes every single bit of the game and every option, but there needs to be something for everyone, and all that's required for a piece of material to be worth adding to the game is that it provides some pleasure and satisfaction to some modicum of people who play it.

Ok, never mind. I give up. You win.

That is, I'll stop trying to find a way to a middle ground if even my motivations are going to be doubted, and my character assaulted.

I'll just go back to assuming that the Warlord is a terrible idea, and make sure that Wizards hears that every chance I get. That's easier than trying to have an honest discussion, apparently.

When's the next official poll, anyway?

 

[Aldarc]

Ok, never mind. I give up. You win.

That is, I'll stop trying to find a way to a middle ground if even my motivations are going to be doubted, and my character assaulted.

I'll just go back to assuming that the Warlord is a terrible idea, and make sure that Wizards hears that every chance I get. That's easier than trying to have an honest discussion, apparently.

When's the next official poll, anyway?

As I said, I thought we were in the process of finding common ground. I was recently even trying to help you with the issue you raised regarding the warlord and 'player agency.' I'm not sure why that conversation was dropped. Last I recall, I had asked you your opinion regarding the bard's inspiration die and whether that was more compelling for your sense of player agency, since the mechanic gives the player the choice of when and how to spend it.