D&D 5E Warlock and Repelling Blast

[Ristamar]

NO!!!

Those three steps must be taken, in order, for every single attack. But there is NO suggestion, at all, that multiple attacks must be consecutive and cannot be simultaneous!

If I shot 20 beams at 20 targets, every single one of those beams must take the three steps in order, but there is nothing in the rules that prevents all 20 beams doing step 1 at the same time, then step 2 at the same time, then step 3 at the same time.

Actually, there is a strong suggestion that the attacks are not simultaneous, inferred from Crawford's ruling that Eldritch Blast (via Repelling Blast) can push a target out of range from successive blasts of the same casting.

 

[Noctem]

Actually, there is a strong suggestion that the attacks are not simultaneous, inferred from Crawford's ruling that Eldritch Blast (via Repelling Blast) can push a target out of range from successive blasts of the same casting.

we tried explaining that to him but he dismissed the tweet response like he's done the others. The only way he's going to change his mind about this is if HE contacts them on twitter himself and gets a discussion going. Us getting answers on twitter hasn't proven to be compelling for him since he just dismisses the responses, even going so far as to claim that Jeremy Crawford is wrong about his answer for the edition he co-designed. That's why I want him to send a tweet and get the conversation going. Nothing else will work imo.

And to clarify, that tweet is only one of MANY things that have been presented as evidence that his claim is incorrect. It's like talking to a brick wall stuck in an echo chamber.

 

[Ovinomancer]

Hey [MENTION=6799649]Arial Black[/MENTION], did you post that question on twitter yet? I'm sure it would help you learn designer intent and then you could share what you've learned here with us afterwards! It's a great opportunity, you should take it!

Good grief. Ask your own questions, stop insisting that others do it for you.

 

[Noctem]

Good grief. Ask your own questions, stop insisting that others do it for you.

As I've explained multiple times now, me asking will serve no purpose because he's just going to dismiss whatever answer I get like he's done the previous 3 times someone has asked and received an answer. Asking myself isn't productive. And I'm asking 1 person to go have a discussion, I've asked plenty of questions and gotten answers in the past. This is just what I believe will better serve Arial Black since all other efforts so far have completely failed.

 

[Ristamar]

we tried explaining that to him but he dismissed the tweet response like he's done the others. The only way he's going to change his mind about this is if HE contacts them on twitter himself and gets a discussion going. Us getting answers on twitter hasn't proven to be compelling for him since he just dismisses the responses, even going so far as to claim that Jeremy Crawford is wrong about his answer for the edition he co-designed. That's why I want him to send a tweet and get the conversation going. Nothing else will work imo.

And to clarify, that tweet is only one of MANY things that have been presented as evidence his claim is incorrect. It's like talking to a brick wall stuck in an echo chamber.

Ah, confirmation bias. Gotcha.

 

[Ovinomancer]

As I've explained multiple times now, me asking will serve no purpose because he's just going to dismiss whatever answer I get like he's done the previous 3 times someone has asked and received an answer. Asking myself isn't productive. And I'm asking 1 person to go have a discussion, I've asked plenty of questions and gotten answers in the past. This is just what I believe will better serve Arial Black since all other efforts so far have completely failed.

Yes, we've covered that you think that you asking the question won't convince him, but you somehow think making him ask your question will. This begs the question of why he won't believe an answer to your question if you ask it, but will if he asks it. It's the same question, and, presumably, the same answer. This, of course, totally ignores that fact that your question doesn't actually answer anything at all, as has been explained often. Seriously, if someone tells you they think that question is rubbish and doesn't answer their questions, why on Earth would you think there's going to be a positive outcome to insisting they ask it?

I have a decided urge to be uncharitable on this one, but have so far managed to resist it.

 

[Noctem]

Yes, we've covered that you think that you asking the question won't convince him, but you somehow think making him ask your question will. This begs the question of why he won't believe an answer to your question if you ask it, but will if he asks it. It's the same question, and, presumably, the same answer. This, of course, totally ignores that fact that your question doesn't actually answer anything at all, as has been explained often. Seriously, if someone tells you they think that question is rubbish and doesn't answer their questions, why on Earth would you think there's going to be a positive outcome to insisting they ask it?

I have a decided urge to be uncharitable on this one, but have so far managed to resist it.

Asking the question is just a means to and end. The point is to get him in contact with a lead designer so he can have a discussion and can't just dismiss others doing the same thing like he's been doing. He can ask his own question or yours, I don't care and it doesn't matter. You guys are so silly about this that you can't even see the bigger picture or purpose.

However, I will say that the reasons people have posted for why 1 of the 6 questions I suggested in total is not good weren't even remotely accurate or logical. I'll let people check the thread for those nuggets themselves since the journey between the time I made the suggestion with 6 questions and the responses is the real interesting part. I even detailed what a yes or no answer would represent and what it would bring to the discussion if the question was asked, but that was largely ignored in favor of nonsense responses.

 

[Ovinomancer]

Asking the question is just a means to and end. The point is to get him in contact with a lead designer so he can have a discussion and can't just dismiss others doing the same thing like he's been doing. He can ask his own question or yours, I don't care and it doesn't matter. You guys are so silly about this that you can't even see the bigger picture or purpose.

Good grief. Then why not tell him to ask his own questions of a dev instead of continuing to insist that he ask your busted question? Also, he's already said he's not on twitter, that twitter is a bad forum for in depth rules discussions, and that he has no interest in getting a twitter account. Yet you continue to insist that he not only get a twitter account, but that he engaging using twitter despite his objections to the medium, and further that he should ask your magic bullet questions because if you ask it, he won't believe the exact same answer.

There's a word for this... can't put my finger on it, but I think it rhymes with lazy.

However, I will say that the reasons people have posted for why 1 of the 6 questions I suggested in total is not good weren't even remotely accurate or logical. I'll let people check the thread for those nuggets themselves since the journey between the time I made the suggestion with 6 questions and the responses is the real interesting part. I even detailed what a yes or no answer would represent and what it would bring to the discussion if the question was asked, but that was largely ignored in favor of nonsense responses.

Logical does not mean 'agrees with Noctem'. What's illogical is to restate someone else's objections so that they match your presumptions and then recommend a question that you think will answer everything so long as everyone agrees with all of your interpretations. Given those interpretations are the basis of the disagreement, there's only one person being illogical here, friend, and it's you.

 

[Noctem]

Sure buddy. Agree to disagree.

 

[Ovinomancer]

Sure buddy. Whatever you say.

I'm glad that you've finally come to your senses and agree with me. You'll be better off for it. A happier and healthier you.