Harassment in gaming

[Obryn]

You provided one isolated example. There's not much that can be learned from one data point.

Okay. So why did you ask for documentation of her claims, then, if it isn't important?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Okay. So why did you ask for documentation of her claims, then, if it isn't important?

Because I thought that everyone would agree that it was important and provide compelling documentation, not an isolated incident.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

If the original writer made the attempt to write persuasively, maturely, and appropriately about the harassment, the issue wouldn't be about their inability to write well.

The issue ISN'T about her ability to write well. Dismissing the validity of her claims or choosing not to engage in a discussion of them on the merits because of the relative skill with which she makes the claim is a logical fallacy.

If you saw a woman running down the street chased by a hockey-masked, machete wielding man, and she was just uttering an inarticulate, wordless scream, would you sit there and say, "Well, she could have phrased that better..."?

So, what ideas do you have about reducing sexual harassment in our shared hobby?

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Because I thought that everyone would agree that it was important and provide compelling documentation, not an isolated incident.

As noted, several of your fellow ENWorlders have also put forth claims of similar repulsive behavior.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

The issue ISN'T about her ability to write well. Dismissing the validity of her claims or choosing to engage in a discussion of them on the merits because of the relative skill with which she makes the claim is a logical fallacy.

If you saw a woman running down the street chased by a hockey-masked, machete wielding man, and she was just uttering an inarticulate, wordless scream, would you sit there and say, "Well, she could have phrased that better..."?

So, what ideas do you have about reducing sexual harassment in our shared hobby?

What she's saying is in error and harmful. The fact that you think we should ignore that rather than address the actual problem (which is sexual harassment, not "white male terrorism") in a responsible manner disturbs me.

 

[Rottle]

As noted, several of your fellow ENWorlders have also put forth claims of similar repulsive behavior.

neither her claims nor any by posters here matter as much as making the change in our collective behavior. Not to me anyway.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

What she's saying is in error and harmful. The fact that you think we should ignore that rather than address the actual problem (which is sexual harassment, not "white male terrorism") in a responsible manner disturbs me.

You have not actually demonstrated that what she has said- that white males in our hobby have made terroristic threats; that other white males in our hobby have allowed an environment in which the behaviors of the miscreants in question is tolerated to continue- is in error. The fact that you continue to think we should ignore her plea because of the way she chooses to express her concerns instead of discussing its merits in a responsible manner disturbs me.

 

[Rottle]

What she's saying is in error and harmful. The fact that you think we should ignore that rather than address the actual problem (which is sexual harassment, not "white male terrorism") in a responsible manner disturbs me.

I do indeed think we need to move past her words. Again you seriously think her words matter more then making the gaming word harassment free? I question your logic there. What is there really to discuss about her words, they are over the top and only some unknown amount of harassment at a store she worked at can be verified...who cares. You said before all harassment must end, so stop with the artical grow a thicker skin see the pain harassment causes others instead of focusing on the pain this artical causes you.

From here on out I will be ignoring any mention of the artical in this thread, please join me in doing so. Let's talk how to spot harassment, how to help those being harassed, how to react to harassment and in the end how to make it happen as little as possible.

 

[Rottle]

if you are being harassed what would help you?

What should I do as just another person seeing the behavior? Would just standing beside you and voicing my support of you personally help, should I be very public in my support? Should I go to someone in authority and get them involved? Should I comfort the offender personally? What would make you know you are safe, that I will stand beside you, that you are not alone?

Real question I know sometimes I get over protective, I have three sisters and have been told at least a few times I didn't need to step in they could handle it themselves. But their my sisters, they know I have their backs, maybe with a stranger I need to react differently.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

My take on it is that while Woman X might not need you to stand up, women Y, Z and others might feel emboldened knowing that there are others willing to speak up and help, and that the battle for respect is not one that needs to be fought individually. Allies exist.

Which could translate into others standing up for themselves...and for others.