D&D 5E DM Help! My rogue always spams Hide as a bonus action, and i cant target him!

[Plaguescarred]

That confirms only that they can hide with observers nearby. Hiding while observed is nonsense. If you are hidden, you are not being observed. The article does not confirm that a creature can hide when its location is known to observers.

Yes it does confirm it, if you can't read the font properly, just click the link and read it again

 

[Hriston]

Did you even read that quote? You seem to have missed this part.

"...and a wood elf can try to hide simply by being in heavy rain, mist, falling snow, foliage, or similar natural phenomena. It’s as if nature itself cloaks a wood elf from prying eyes—even eyes staring right at the elf!"

That's clearly and explicitly hiding while being observed. Heck, it even says staring at and not looking at, which takes away the possibility that the elf hid when the observer blinked.

Again, pasting as plain text would make it easier to read these quotes, and your subsequent analysis. I don't want to have to change my forum settings every time someone copies and pastes something with formatting, but yes, I've read it. Notice that it doesn't say the eyes are observing the elf, merely that they are looking in the elf's direction. In fact, it says that nature cloaks the elf from view, which means that the elf is not observed.

 

[Plaguescarred]

My point is that this argument is largely irrelevant from a rules mechanic POV. If a character is "hiding" (won a stealth vs perception check) in addition to being heavily obscured and under total cover but it is easy to guess his location, the "hidden" status doesn't add anything except he can attack with advantage if he can gain LOS without being noticed (and some DMs will say he can't because he has to break cover to attack and will then be seen...).

It is revelant as there are game elements interacting with creature that are specifically hidden such as Surprise, Alert, Magical Ambush etc...

 

[Maxperson]

Again, pasting as plain text would make it easier to read these quotes, and your subsequent analysis. I don't want to have to change my forum settings every time someone copies and pastes something with formatting, but yes, I've read it. Notice that it doesn't say the eyes are observing the elf, merely that they are looking in the elf's direction. In fact, it says that nature cloaks the elf from view, which means that the elf is not observed.

So your argument is that English isn't English, so that "staring right at the elf" means in your invented English that the observer isn't actually observing the elf?

Sorry, but I'm going to go with the real English meaning of "staring right at the elf", and go with........he's STARING RIGHT AT THE ELF. Staring at something is not looking in the direction of that thing. It's looking directly at something extremely intently to the point of not blinking or looking away from it.

 

[Hriston]

Yes it does confirm it, if you can't read the font properly, just click the link and read it again

No, it doesn't confirm that creatures can hide in a known location, and it isn't the font. It's the color (black), which doesn't show up well on my chosen background (also black).

 

[Plaguescarred]

Again, pasting as plain text would make it easier to read these quotes, and your subsequent analysis. I don't want to have to change my forum settings every time someone copies and pastes something with formatting, but yes, I've read it. Notice that it doesn't say the eyes are observing the elf, merely that they are looking in the elf's direction. In fact, it says that nature cloaks the elf from view, which means that the elf is not observed.

C'mon the Sage Advice answers a question about being able to hide while observed! If it was not possible it would have said no you're argument is very weak the Sage Advice is clear to most people regarding this and the rules neither specifically prevent someone to hide when his location could be known.

 

[Plaguescarred]

In fact, it says that nature cloaks the elf from view, which means that the elf is not observed.

Just like a creature in a box isn't it?! Until the elf makes a Stealth check to hide, he is only lightly obscured by foliage, which means he can both be seen and his location is known.

Same for a halfling going behind his friend....

 

[Hriston]

So your argument is that English isn't English, so that "staring right at the elf" means in your invented English that the observer isn't actually observing the elf?

Sorry, but I'm going to go with the real English meaning of "staring right at the elf", and go with........he's STARING RIGHT AT THE ELF. Staring at something is not looking in the direction of that thing. It's looking directly at something extremely intently to the point of not blinking or looking away from it.

I'm sure you're familiar enough with English to know that you can stare, perhaps vacantly, at something without actually seeing it, and that this is a common use of the word. How many times have you done this while looking for your keys?

 

[Corwin]

I'm sure you're familiar enough with English to know that you can stare, perhaps vacantly, at something without actually seeing it, and that this is a common use of the word. How many times have you done this while looking for your keys?

Is that a serious interpretation of what you believe the Sage was talking about when he said it? Honestly?

 

[Hriston]

Just like a creature in a box isn't it?! Until the elf makes a Stealth check to hide, he is only lightly obscured by foliage, which means he can both be seen and his location is known.

Same for a halfling going behind his friend....

That is similar to but different from a creature in a box. A creature in a box cannot be seen, but if you saw it go in there you know where it is. An elf or halfling can be seen clearly in their respective racial hiding places if they are not hidden, and you can't hide when seen clearly.