D&D 5E Uses for Wish (other than Simulacrum)

[Balfore]

Manshoon did 7 clones. Wish can emulate effects greater than an 8th level spell. So create many clones, use Contingency wish to recreate yourself with all of them when you die.With Wish, you could even True Polymorph the clones into other forms.

'...all of them when you die'
All at once?
Or one at a time as you live out each life?
I was looking to have 'novice' copies of my villain doing mundane jobs, showing up in a bar, tending bar, working a field... maybe one grew up to be a paladin or a druid.
Just for the effect of seeing this guy all over, and never really knowing where he is or why they keep seeing him

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[matskralc]

Clone requires that your soul transfer to the inert clone upon your death. It doesn't seem reasonable to say that your soul could divide itself among multiple bodies.

You can't use contingency with wish. Contingency can only be used with spells of 5th level and lower.

'...all of them when you die'
All at once?
Or one at a time as you live out each life?
I was looking to have 'novice' copies of my villain doing mundane jobs, showing up in a bar, tending bar, working a field... maybe one grew up to be a paladin or a druid.
Just for the effect of seeing this guy all over, and never really knowing where he is or why they keep seeing him

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On the other hand, just make it so. If you're the DM and you want this to happen, then it happens. The PCs don't need to learn how it happened. Let it forever be a mystery.

 

[Balfore]

Clone requires that your soul transfer to the inert clone upon your death. It doesn't seem reasonable to say that your soul could divide itself among multiple bodies.

You can't use contingency with wish. Contingency can only be used with spells of 5th level and lower.



On the other hand, just make it so. If you're the DM and you want this to happen, then it happens. The PCs don't need to learn how it happened. Let it forever be a mystery.

True... but some "rules-lawyers" get upset if they don't figure stuff out.
I was trying to make it as believable as possible or find a mechanic where it would be close enough to avoid questions.
1. My necromancer villain can be a CR 23. With a Boon that grants another 9th level spell.(this group of 5 can handle it easil with 20 years of playing)
2. He could have lived years developing his evil plan.
3. He hard casts Simulacrum. Then takes a long rest.
4. The Simulacrum (Disposable #1) has 2 9th level spells. And thus casts Wish for a copy of the Simulacrum spell and copies the villain (Which has all his spells, Disposable #2) and the other Wish for 25k and has a chance to not be able to cast Wish again. But who cares, he won't be around for worry about it. And he's out of 9th level spells.
5. The Simulacrum(Disposable #1) hard casts another Simulacrum spell targeting the villain. (This NEW Simulacrum has all the villains spells, and is Disposable #3). Now there are 2 copies (Disposable #2 & Disposable #3), but Disposable #1 is running low on spells, and casts as many clone spells as he can on the villain.
6. The Villain tells Disposable #1 simulacrum to tell his 2 Simulacrum to obey all your commands. Then Disposable #1 casts whatever spells he can that would be useful.
*this is where the balance of Clone and True Polymorph come into play.
7. The Villain then hard casts and starts the process all over.

So, that was 2 days in the life of a villain.
Aging what he can do over the course of years.

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[matskralc]

He has a legendary artifact that allows him to clone himself or he's actually the avatar of a deity or something.

Because here's the thing with there being a "by the book" way to do it: why hasn't every wizard capable of casting 9th level spells done this? If this works, your world should be swimming in 20th level wizards. Why isn't it?

 

[Balfore]

He has a legendary artifact that allows him to clone himself or he's actually the avatar of a deity or something.

Because here's the thing with there being a "by the book" way to do it: why hasn't every wizard capable of casting 9th level spells done this? If this works, your world should be swimming in 20th level wizards. Why isn't it?

This is true.
No one has ever tried it before.
I'm only running this campaign because the previous DM screwed up the world and my villain ( a PC I ran years ago, that kept cloning himself to live forever).
So, I'm rewriting it with another players character who is an ascended Chronomancer who corrects the timeline.
We are playing thru that right now.

I will say, next campaign, with all the dead that everyone in this campaign has killed, works great for the Apocalypse in the aftermath.
I have the 4 horsemen and guest appearances by past characters.

We have NEVER played an epic level campaign / finalè... so this has everyone psyched about the ending.

Once finished, there will be rips in reality and portals to each campaign world, and these characters will be the Wardens/Keepers of those portals preventing abominations from getting in to this world.

I've incorporated a "Sanity/Madness" mechanic that will come into play when they encounter any Lovecraftian creatures, which will give them the resumé to be the ones that handle these creatures.

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[shadowoflameth]

But Wish can emulate a greater effect than contingency normally could. If your Wish was in effect on a contingency that when you die all the clones come to life, they would, and did for Manshoon in the Forgotten Realms. Even though only one would normally rise. The effects of doing something beyond 8th level with Wish wouldn't be a problem because you're dying anyway. http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Manshoon.

 

[shadowoflameth]

Because the DM isn't an idiot. When Manshoon cloned himself 7 times, they started fighting each other. Game play wise, if I had an epic player trying to duplicate this, or any other variation of the 'Army of Me' scenario; There'd be problems for him as a consequence of trying. By the book is OK, but you're right. There needs to be a reason why it isn't practical or every wizard who was capable might something like this. Just like every cleric capable might try to summon his deity to the mortal world or summon the tarrasque to destroy a rival kingdom.