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[TwoSix]

You've confused the image evoked by Krynn setting. You might as well rename the Greyhawk gods with all the names of all the Krynn deities while you are at it.

I would argue you could make that substitution and the average D&D player wouldn't even realize there was a change.

 

[Maxperson]

I would argue you could make that substitution and the average D&D player wouldn't even realize there was a change.

I don't know. Of the 20 or so players I've gamed with in recent years, 0 wouldn't be aware of the change. All of them either know Krynn, Greyhawk, or both, and the majority of them know both.

 

[pemerton]

You've confused the image evoked by Krynn setting.

Is this an aesthetic judgement? So you're saying that it's poor GMing because you don't like the mash-up?

I've never heard someone's GMing called poor before because another person, who is not part of their game and indeed knows nothing of it but rumours posted to the interwebs, doesn't like the colour scheme!

 

[pemerton]

[MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION] - just to get clear - are you actually asserting that the ability of the ranger in both its Strategic Review and AD&D PHB versions to use crystal balls et al is not based (utterly and entirely) upon Aragorn's affinity for the palantir?

 

[Maxperson]

[MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION] - just to get clear - are you actually asserting that the ability of the ranger in both its Strategic Review and AD&D PHB versions to use crystal balls et al is not based (utterly and entirely) upon Aragorn's affinity for the palantir?

Based on =/= the same as. The ranger ability is NOT tied to any setting. Not Middle Earth. Not Greyhawk. Not FR. None.

 

[TwoSix]

I don't know. Of the 20 or so players I've gamed with in recent years, 0 wouldn't be aware of the change. All of them either know Krynn, Greyhawk, or both, and the majority of them know both.

Dueling anecdotes, I guess. Out of the 20 or so people I've played with in the last 6 years, I think I can count 6 or 7that have enough prior D&D experience to know either setting well enough to recognize dieties. If I swapped out Paladine for Pelor and Takhisis for Tiamat, that number would probably drop even further.

 

[Maxperson]

Dueling anecdotes, I guess. Out of the 20 or so people I've played with in the last 6 years, I think I can count 6 or 7that have enough prior D&D experience to know either setting well enough to recognize dieties. If I swapped out Paladine for Pelor and Takhisis for Tiamat, that number would probably drop even further.

Suppose I put aside my 20 entirely and just go with your 6 or 7 out of 20, that's still more than 25% of people that will understand the switch. If even 1 out of 5 encounters this, that's still a significant percentage of people that it affects.

 

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[TwoSix]

Affects ... as in how?

I've been running multiple campaigns for multiple groups for, well, a long time in Greyhawk. Always used various Deities & Demigods pantheons.

Not the GH pantheon.

Don't think anyone was affected. Or confused.

I have to agree. Even as someone who's aware of what the Oerth and Krynn pantheons are, switching one for the other doesn't elicit much more than an "OK, that's interesting".

Settings are like chili; you have to throw a lot of extra stuff in the pot before I say it doesn't look like chili anymore.

 

[Lanefan]

No it isn't. Aragorn could only use the one item, not all non-written magic items of that type.

We-ell, we don't really know that. He doesn't encounter any other scrying items that we know of, so we can't tell whether he could have used them or not. The design logic is obvious, though: if you can use one then by extension you can use 'em all.

The only other - and much less elegant - way to do it would have been to include a few more scrying devices in the magic items table and have them usable only by Rangers.

Nor did the palantir allow ESP.

That's because Sauron was on the other end of it! Sauron however could certainly ESP the poor schlubs (e.g. Saruman, and briefly Pippin) he'd captured. What made Aragorn special was that he was able to resist this.

Lan-"my one eye sees all"-efan