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[i_dont_meta]

How do we think the new Big Book of Crunch will interact with the whole "PHB + 1" limitations?


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[CapnZapp]

The "+1" notion is specific to the AL, so my advice is:

1) wait until (and if) the book is released
2) discuss it in the designated AL forum

Thx

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[ccs]

It won't affect me at all as I'm not involved in the AL.

 

[CydKnight]

I find that when I try to project such things that I cannot control, my expectations get the best of me then I am disappointed when that thing actually comes to fruition.

 

[Jester David]

Why would the rule change?
It's exactly why the rule exists: so people don't stack sources.

 

[i_dont_meta]

Wow. OK. Sounds like the grognards got it covered. Thanks.


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[happyhermit]

That sort of philosophy, and it extends beyond the AL rule, is a part of why I am so into 5e. Unfortunately (for me) it's likely they will break with it as time goes by. The fact that they aren't treating Vgtm as "core" in the adventures is promising though. Wotc doesn't owe me anything, they will do what they figure is best for the game, but there is a good chance I will check out of the edition as things start to feel bloaty, that's what has always happened in the past.

 

[Jester David]

That sort of philosophy, and it extends beyond the AL rule, is a part of why I am so into 5e. Unfortunately (for me) it's likely they will break with it as time goes by. The fact that they aren't treating Vgtm as "core" in the adventures is promising though. Wotc doesn't owe me anything, they will do what they figure is best for the game, but there is a good chance I will check out of the edition as things start to feel bloaty, that's what has always happened in the past.

Maybe.
But August 2017 will be three years after the edition was released. Three years after 4e was launched, Essentials had been out for a full year. Three years after 3e was launched, they were just rolling out 3.5e.

 

[thethain]

From current perspective, it appears that they are entwining their books to be crunch+fluff. SCAG, EE, Volo. All had a smattering of crunch and a lot of fluff. They want to sell stories, and have some crunchy bits thrown in to assist in that story.

That said the blitz of Unearthed Arcana that has been going on for months at this point does indicate that they are at least thinking about releasing some more crunchy materials. Although the fact rune magic was released as Unearthed Arcana on 10/5/2015 and SKT implemented it 11/6/2016 means there may be a bit of lead time until we see these come to a printed source near you.

I think if they release a full blown PHB II style book, it basically would most likely necessitate invalidating the PHB+1 rule. For example if they released the Mystic as is, its spell list is 3 Wizards spells, which are contained in the PHB. If it was a full blown book featuring new spells, feats, archetypes, and classes. Then using any source other than PHB+PHB2 would be severely hamstringing the character. Volo's already highlighted this in the fact that many of the options from SCAG are pretty powerful or at the least distinctive. Cutting Tabaxi tricksters off from booming blade is rather arbitrary.

That said.. I don't think they are going to release a PHB II. I think they will release a Greyhawk setting book(eventually) which adds a handful of archetypes and variant races. And maybe a new Underdark adventure that allows some Psionic player options. I hope I am wrong tho, as I love crunching numbers on characters.

 

[CapnZapp]

Why would the rule change?
It's exactly why the rule exists: so people don't stack sources.

Probably because of the anticipation this book will contain so much more; completely overshadowing the existing options: Unless the rule is changed, that nobody will pick the existing options any longer.

Mind you, this is conjecture in several layers.

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