Discovery Trailer

[CapnZapp]

'Star Trek: Discovery' debut led to record sign-ups for CBS's streaming service and on the flip side ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Pilot Becomes One of the Most Pirated TV Episodes in Less Than 24 Hours

That last link doesn't work on the app, here's another:

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/star-trek-discovery-is-getting-pirated-a-lot/
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[Ryujin]

If there’s one thing about Klingons that is a constant, it’s that every iteration of them has competent redesigned them. This is the 4th design. There is no single Klingon appearance.

I like that they acknowledged that by saying each of the 24 houses looks different.

I rewatched both episodes last night. They really don't look appreciably different.

 

[Richards]

They want people who watch their channel to tune into multiple shows and not just watch one.

[Rolling Stones]"You can't always get what you want..."[/Rolling Stones]

Johnathan

 

[Jester David]

[Rolling Stones]"You can't always get what you want..."[/Rolling Stones]

Johnathan

No. But you don't have to actively help people not giving you what you want...

 

[Hand of Evil]

IF the ratings were good and then they see a drop on Access, they may move it back to the network, possibly during the off-season and on one of their sister networks.

 

[MarkB]

I liked it a lot. I particularly liked that the Klingons, while clearly the villains, were given a reasonably sympathetic motivation. This isn't the first show to explore the concept of the Federation as cultural imperialism, but it is the first to make it such a major focus, and it's a subject that feels more relevant than ever these days.

 

[CapnZapp]

I liked it a lot. I particularly liked that the Klingons, while clearly the villains, were given a reasonably sympathetic motivation. This isn't the first show to explore the concept of the Federation as cultural imperialism, but it is the first to make it such a major focus, and it's a subject that feels more relevant than ever these days.

It is nice that we get to understand the Klingons. They quite reasonably assume the Vulcans have told the Humans about their "Vulcan Welcome"!

The scene where Michelle Yeoh tries diplomacy and the Klingons go "...here it comes!" is priceless.

You might think the Humans would have appreciated if the Vulcans clued them in to how Klingons interpret "We come in peace" as "You will be assimilated"

I quite like how the show confirms the Vulcans as prissy a-holes, just as we knew all along!

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[Hussar]

THinking about it, it also shows a very different side of the Vulcans. The whole "logic" thing leads them to automatically destroy every single Klingon ship they meet until the Klingons decide that it's just not worth fighting the Vulcans. One has to wonder though, if the Vulcans were THAT much more powerful than the Klingons, why aren't they running the galaxy? It looks like Federation and Klingon ships are roughly on par, pound for pound. Sure, the Federation gets beaten in the fight, but, they give a pretty darn good showing for themselves, managing to seriously damage or destroy several Klingon ships.

It makes you wonder what the Vulcan ships are like.

 

[CapnZapp]

The whole "logic" thing leads them to automatically destroy every single Klingon ship they meet until the Klingons decide that it's just not worth fighting the Vulcans. One has to wonder though, if the Vulcans were THAT much more powerful than the Klingons, why aren't they running the galaxy?

They didn't say that. Only that the Vulcans started shooting first. The implication is "us Vulcans are not easy gullible targets", not "we could have killed you easy, we just chose not to - until you forced us to"

As for the Federation, it's established lore that Humans were essentially "uplifted" by Vulcans once we managed warp on our own. It's safe to assume we quickly caught up somewhat with Vulcan tech.

In the 2nd ep battle I'm getting the feeling Federation ships are perhaps 80-90% as strong as Klingons, with the difference mostly explained by "Klingon war spirit" rather than any technological disparity.

Cloaking didn't seem to play a role in the battle (except Admiral Stupid getting what's coming to him)

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[MarkB]

You might think the Humans would have appreciated if the Vulcans clued them in to how Klingons interpret "We come in peace" as "You will be assimilated"

I quite like how the show confirms the Vulcans as prissy a-holes, just as we knew all along!

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To be fair, the 'Vulcan Hello' is a specifically Vulcan solution to the problem, and Sarek does express his doubts that it will work for the Federation. The Vulcans, at least back in the old Star Trek: Enterprise days, were never out to win any popularity contests, so they could afford to take the most pragmatic approach. The Federation, on the other hand, very much are out to establish and maintain a particular reputation, and to them, it may be worth the cost of a ship, a fleet, or even a full-scale war to be seen not to be betraying their principles by becoming the aggressors.