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Remember we're not arguing that BS is invulnerable: this is about relative strength. Look at the numbers: what happens to Defense Champion (AC 21) or GWM Battlemaster (AC 18) on the same basis? They're already destroyed by the 50% point. This reflects my playtests: GWM Battlemaster can't reduce the number of attacks taken enough to survive. I'm going to tidy up these PDFs and then post them here so that others can look at exactly the numbers we're seeing. They clearly show that BS survives a greater percentage of days than the martial characters.But, again, the 1 in 2 metric is a poor assumption. Even going to 1:3 days the 18I bladesinger is taking 9 hits, and 1:4 10 hits. That burns out all 3rd slots. AND the fact that double the previous number of hits for 23 AC cannot be shielded at all. If we go for the 1:10 days, the takes 12 hits.
If you are dissatisfied with the party composition: propose one and we can test it. If you are dissatisfied with tactics, describe the tactics you want applied. Same with the scenario. If you can't propose a scenario in which BS doesn't shine, why should your claim that there is one feel compelling?No, which is why I insisted that if we're going to compare how a bladesinger can tank, it needs to be on a per hit basis, as all the other things that confound, including scenario and actions taken biases, will result is skewed representations. For instance, it's possible to kill the giants effectively without a tank character at all -- in your scenario you're already kiting with 3 characters, so why not kite with all 4 and really get in some advantaged DPR?
Unfortunately that character doesn't stay standing. They get in some good swings, and fall.What offensive battlemaster? An offensive greatsword weilding battlemaster with GWM, defensive style, and plate is AC 18, +8 (+3) to hit, and deals 2d6+15 per hit, with precision to boost hits (which are at 50%). The DPR output over the bladesinger is (assuming round 1 cast by bladesinger and javelins by battlemaster) almost double (110 to 65). The battlemaster accounts for a giant by himself in 4 rounds, even opening with javelins.
To progress the discussion, do you concur that we do not need to show that BS is invulnerable? What we need to do is look across the cases, and see that more of the time the party with the BS does better than the party with the martial (assertion 1) and at least as well as the party with the Diviner (assertion 3). Thus, at whatever point we can see that other martials are destroyed by, if BS survives past that it is stronger.