We saw a Star War! Last Jedi spoiler thread

[doctorbadwolf]

But it does make sense. If those books weren’t around to confuse matters, the movie, by itself, makes perfect sense: they’re in the same system. No question.

If those licensed products didn’t exist, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation; we’d all agree we’d clearly seen several planets in the same system.

Those books don’t clear anything up - they confuse the matter by claiming they’re not in the same system, contrary to what we saw on screen, and justifying their dubious claim with some new technobabble.

Nah, the movie clearly shows one or more neighboring systems getting blown up. If not for the books, we’d clearly know that each beam hit a system, not a planet.

Also, in TLJ, doesn’t the crawl say that the New Order has swept in after the destruction of the main Republic fleet and taken over?

I feel like these debates always forget stuff that’s in the crawl.

 

[Morrus]

Nah, the movie clearly shows one or more neighboring systems getting blown up. If not for the books, we’d clearly know that each beam hit a system, not a planet.

Nah, if you watch the clip again (I posted it above) you can see exactly what it shows. It’s only a few seconds of footage. You see the beam split, then in the same shot hits a handful of planets, all of which are in the frame at the same time, next to each other. They’re not just in the same system, they’re so close that they can only be moons of the same planet.

 

[Eltab]

Goal: Rebuild the Resistance/Republic, beat back the First Order, restore peace and justice to the Old New Republic (tm).

How do you do it?

The decapitation strike against the Republic's current-capital planet sets off a squabble for power among everybody who was on the other rotating-capital planets.
This however is overwhelmed by the fact that individuals from all across the Galaxy are volunteering their services. The rise of this wave of volunteers tracks nicely with spread of news of SK Base's destruction.
The First Order cannot believe what is happening; they think the Republic "called out the National Guard." (But this is so slow and cumbersome it looks more like rallying a feudal militia.)

Smart strategy for FO would be to pick a fight with the first volunteers who arrive nearby - so as not to get overwhelmed by a tsunami - and broadcast widely the fate they met at FO's hands. Ideally, most of the enthusiastic volunteers will just give up and go home; the ones who don't can be dealt with in penny packets.

Our Heroes can figure this out, too. Their job is to keep FO busy, buying time, and send somebody (Leia?) to organize the reinforcements. Alas that Leia has a heart attack en route. Her state funeral is impressive, a centerpiece for the mourning ceremonies over the destroyed Capital system.

At this point all the new heroes realize they need to work together better, and deal with the root of the problem: FO's general and Kylo Ren. Using a big noisy group of enthusiastic volunteers (maybe with Chewbacca in charge?) as bait, they can set up the Climactic Confrontation between the Good Guys and the Bad Guys.

If Disney promises JJ Abrams enough budget, he can do this in Movie IX, then try to emulate Helm's Deep and make the multi-faceted final fight, full of special effects, take the whole of Movie X.

 

[hawkeyefan]

Because Hero's come back? Luke cut himself off from the force, he had no idea what was happening but after Rey came to him and even after using the hologram he still moaned. And aside from the deviations from his character in the original series, it set up a problem for most of the Last Jedi (and probably the next film): if Luke doesnt care about the resistance, why should we?

I don’t think that he deviates from his character from the old films. At least not in the sense that you mean. I think he deviates from his younger self in the sense that a person would likely do after 30 years and some crazy trauma. Who is the same at 55 that they were at 25?

And I don’t think Luke doesn’t care about the Resistance so much as he thinks they’re better off without him. Without the Jedi, in fact. He obviously comes around, but I can understand why he might think that.

The problem is that without revealing Luke had re-established his academy thereby insuring Rey has someone to complete her training and help her counter Kylo all of this is for nothing!

Just revealing Luke wasn't dying for nothing, would that have hurt the movie?

Not at all. That’s why they went out of their way to show that Luke isn’t dying for nothing. I mean, they really drill that home at the end in a few ways.

They also make it clear that a Jedi Academy is not needed. Yoda says that Rey possesses all she needs in order to continue down the path of the Jedi. And then we see she has the sacred texts.

As it stands is there anything that indicates Luke's force ghost can complete her training even after supposedly killing himself pulling off that stunt?

Although I wouldn’t be surprised to see Luke return in Force Ghost mode in the next movie, they’ve established that it may not be necessary.

Sometimes less is more, but seriously why demonstrate super Leia when you could have her rescued by say Admiral Ackbar who sacrifices himself in the process?

I’d guess two reasons.

First, they wanted Leia to save herself, not be rescued. The movies have moved strongly away from damsels in distress, so they likely wanted Leia to solve her own problem. I actually didn’t really like that scene all that much, but I understand why they had it play out that way.

Second, the actir who played Admiral Ackbar died after making The Force Awakens, so they likely felt it was best not to have the character do too much, but at the same time wanted to acknowledge his passing.

 

[Morrus]

Luke was always a whiny hothead who made the wrong choice. Anybody who thinks he was something else really needs to watch the movies again. Luke’s depiction here is perfectly in character.

 

[Morrus]

Sometimes less is more, but seriously why demonstrate super Leia when you could have her rescued by say Admiral Ackbar who sacrifices himself in the process?

As I posted earlier, Erik Bauersfeld died last year. That’s why.

 

[Olgar Shiverstone]

If Disney promises JJ Abrams enough budget, he can do this in Movie IX, then try to emulate Helm's Deep and make the multi-faceted final fight, full of special effects, take the whole of Movie X.

Yes, I see it ...

The Resistance rescues the hobbits from Isengard, then throws the ring into the fire, finally defeating the First Order!

 

[ccs]

Second, the actir who played Admiral Ackbar died after making The Force Awakens, so they likely felt it was best not to have the character do too much, but at the same time wanted to acknowledge his passing.

So what? At the end of the day SW wise all he was a guy in a (expensive) rubber mask. Hire a new actor, put the mask on & continue to use the character. Or CGI them. Same goes for R2, 3PO, Chewbacca, Darth Vader, etc. Pretty much any character that you never see their human face.

 

[Morrus]

So what? At the end of the day SW wise all he was a guy in a (expensive) rubber mask. Hire a new actor, put the mask on & continue to use the character. Or CGI them. Same goes for R2, 3PO, Chewbacca, Darth Vader, etc. Pretty much any character that you never see their human face.

Replacing the recently dead bothers some people. Not you, apparently, but many of us find that disrespectful. Referring to recently deceased professional actors as “just a guy in a rubber mask” is pretty obnoxious, too. That’s why.

 

[billd91]

And even more to the point, Erik Bauersfeld wasn't the puppeteer in the mask. He was the voice. The puppeteer... he was the same guy as in Return of the Jedi.