Is RPGing a *literary* endeavour?

[Bedrockgames]

I thought half was about jokes?

The other half was about beating a horse. Probably, if not definitely, dead.

We should whack it a few more times- you never know!

You can ridicule my post all you want Lowkey13, but I am just responding to the fact that 'performance' has been attached to clear playstyle preferences in this discussion (and those preferences are being positioned as better or more in keeping with the purpose of an RPG than other preference). If people want a real discussion about gaming terminology and analysis, I think it is difficult to do so when personal preferences and peeves are being put front and center into the language of the debate.

 

[lowkey13]

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[Bedrockgames]

And wouldn't that mean that the OP who was arguing that presentation had NO ROLE whatsoever and never could ...was that person just trolling the PERFORMANCE ACTIVISTS with his UPPITY FRAMING HEGEMONY?

Pretty sure the OP clarified that this wasn't his position but I will leave that to him to weigh in.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Not only can I, I will!

Of course, it might also be that you are reading things into it that aren't there. Remember how you had NO IDEA what this thread was about, because you didn't read the whole thing?

And now you are insisting that not only do you know what the thread is about, but, apparently, much to the surprise of the actual people who have been participating in it ... it's all about a mysterious PLAYSTYLE AGENDA that we are ... oh I can't stop myself .... shoving down your throat?

And wouldn't that mean that the OP who was arguing that presentation had NO ROLE whatsoever and never could ...was that person just trolling the PERFORMANCE ACTIVISTS with his UPPITY FRAMING HEGEMONY?

Not everyone reads every single post in a long thread. I simply don't have the time. But I can respond to an OP and reply to anyone who has responded to me (which is what I was doing). Not sure why that is an issue for you.

 

[lowkey13]

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[Bedrockgames]

I guess I'm just not used to people who repeatedly say they don't understand something despite multiple explanations, refuse to educate themselves about the topic because there's a lot of words, and then characterize all the people they disagree with as "playstyle activists."

Wait- no, that's not quite true. I am very familiar with that whole thing outside of TTRPGs, but really, this is supposed to be fun, not some dour exercise in castigating people you disagree with. I mean, that's so very middle school, and TBH, a big reason a lot of us started playing. You know- play, as in fun, as in not a mirthless slog of argument about "gaming terminology and analysis" with an emphasis on "the language of the debate[.]"



STRAIGHT INTO THE VEINS! Yep, that really is the stuff.

Not sure what you hope to achieve by insulting me.

 

[Bedrockgames]

I guess I'm just not used to people who repeatedly say they don't understand something despite multiple explanations, refuse to educate themselves about the topic because there's a lot of words, and then characterize all the people they disagree with as "playstyle activists."

This is not an accurate characterization of my posts.

 

[Bedrockgames]

refuse to educate themselves about the topic because there's a lot of words.

Equating reading a full thread of posts with educating oneself seems a real reach for me. Not everyone engages discussions on forums by reading every single post (particularly with long ones like this). When people have mentioned other posts they've made, I've read them.

 

[lowkey13]

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[Hussar]

You can ridicule my post all you want Lowkey13, but I am just responding to the fact that 'performance' has been attached to clear playstyle preferences in this discussion (and those preferences are being positioned as better or more in keeping with the purpose of an RPG than other preference). If people want a real discussion about gaming terminology and analysis, I think it is difficult to do so when personal preferences and peeves are being put front and center into the language of the debate.

Umm nope?

I pretty clearly defined performance as being anything that is not content. Others amended that to be presentation, which, in hindsight is probably a better way of saying things.
[MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] has pretty strongly argued that presentation is not very important and that content is all that really matters. That the scenario regardless of how that scenario is communicated to the players is the most important thing at the table.

I’d argue that presentation is equally important and you prove my point. A dm who presents information one way would make you enjoy the game less than if he or she presented a different way. Even though they are presenting exactly the same information.

Seems to me that presentation or performance is extremely important. Equally as important as content since content alone isn’t enough for you to enjoy the game.