D&D 4E Where was 4e headed before it was canned?

[Eric V]

Lol... way to both miss the point of why we enjoy only a broad overview of skills and be both condescending and insulting at the same time. Here let me reply by using your post but addressing your viewpoint...

In the end though, this is true, and it's exactly what some/many people want. Some DMs can't make a decision without the book to back them up and provide affirmation of their choice, they feel like if the decision is in a book it cannot be wrong or bad, and the rulebooks back that up. Some, especially those who game exclusively with strangers, really like the idea of "the book as DM" because it's hard to facilitate communication with everyone siting around the table. Some just worship the system as the end all and be all and just want to have fun with what basically amounts to a bunch of if/then statements in the form of a tabletop rpg.... fun; with fewer demands on actual decision making and fiddly, esoteric character creation rules, game X fits that. So yeah, a system that tries to cover minutae to the point of becoming burdensome and bordering on work instead of fun along with a DM who is like "Uh, da book will tell me what to pick"" works in those regards...

How did I miss the point, exactly? Sorry you were insulted...I have no idea why you would have been. You weren't even addressed; I was addressing the way the system was laid out. Did you write it? I also pointed out that people like it the way it is...how is that insulting? No offense, but I think you're being really sensitive; there's nothing I wrote to get insulted about, truly.

I know you didn't understand my point...it's not that a DM can't make a decision without guidance, it's that guidance from the designers of the game would be nice to have. No one has asked for the book as DM, merely the book as guide...like the title of the book reads.

 

[Garthanos]

We have rules for skill use as well out of the box.

lol no you were right they gave me rulings not rules

 

[Imaro]

How did I miss the point, exactly? Sorry you were insulted...I have no idea why you would have been. You weren't even addressed; I was addressing the way the system was laid out. Did you write it? I also pointed out that people like it the way it is...how is that insulting? No offense, but I think you're being really sensitive; there's nothing I wrote to get insulted about, truly.

I know you didn't understand my point...it's not that a DM can't make a decision without guidance, it's that guidance from the designers of the game would be nice to have. No one has asked for the book as DM, merely the book as guide...like the title of the book reads.

Lol... OOOHHHKKKKK.

 

[Imaro]

lol no you were right they gave me rulings not rules

No they gave you some rules and the freedom (EDIT: by avoiding excessive detailing and structure) to flesh it out/change it/modify it with rulings... the same as everything else in the game.

 

[Garthanos]

I want the player of a skill based character to sometimes shock shock have things like spell casters do and be able to just decide they do them and have it be something already balanced with other things they just get choose so the dm doesnt always have to hand hold the process.

Note that isnt ALWAYS its sometimes.

 

[Garthanos]

No they gave you some rules and the freedom (EDIT: by avoiding excessive detailing and structure)

Your avoiding excessive is my none at all... DM shooting from the hip

 

[Garthanos]

You cannot have your rulings not rules and take it back you people and your pretenses of having your cake and eating it too. It just isn't happening.

 

[Imaro]

I want the player of a skill based character to sometimes shock shock have things like spell casters do and be able to just decide they do them and have it be something already balanced with other things they just get choose so the dm doesnt always have to hand hold the process.

Note that isnt ALWAYS its sometimes.

Have you looked on DM's Guild?

EDIT: I'm not being snarky but asking from serious curiosity...

 

[Garthanos]

No they gave you some rules and the freedom (EDIT: by avoiding excessive detailing and structure) to flesh it out/change it/modify it with rulings.

Like the spells arent tons of little rules in themselves? which sure you always have the freedom to change but claiming its not excessive when we have so many games with actual light rules is against just not something i am buying..

 

[Garthanos]

Have you looked on DM's Guild?

for some things like Warlords do you have something to point me towards because that is part of why I even talk about 5e....

EDIT no I didnt take it as snarky