D&D 4E Where was 4e headed before it was canned?

[Parmandur]

You seem fond of that condition

It's an important part of D&D in my life experience.

 

[Campbell]

Generally if I am going to be playing Dungeons and Dragons I am not very interested in a fiction where 20th level fighter is just a little bit better than a 1st level fighter at things like evading attacks, running and jumping and the like. I need a fighter who faces down pit fiends to feel like someone who would face down pit fiends.

 

[Imaro]

Generally if I am going to be playing Dungeons and Dragons I am not very interested in a fiction where 20th level fighter is just a little bit better than a 1st level fighter at things like evading attacks, running and jumping and the like. I need a fighter who faces down pit fiends to feel like someone who would face down pit fiends.

Good because I dont know of an edition where that's the case... rest assured in 5e a single 20th level fighter is more than a "little better" than a single 1st level fighter... especially in the case of facing down a pit fiend.

 

[Parmandur]

Generally if I am going to be playing Dungeons and Dragons I am not very interested in a fiction where 20th level fighter is just a little bit better than a 1st level fighter at things like evading attacks, running and jumping and the like. I need a fighter who faces down pit fiends to feel like someone who would face down pit fiends.

The Level 20 PC can still face down Pit Fiends, while the Level 1 cannot. The Level 20 PC will be capable of plenty the Level 1 is not, but the power curve is manageable now.

 

[Garthanos]

I need a fighter who faces down pit fiends to feel like someone who would face down pit fiends.

at least one of his saves seems guaranteed to suck badly.

 

[Imaro]

Nope its a shorter treadmill X/2 and it means your hero is also massively likely even when approaching demigod calibur in most ways of being backed down by that level 1 town mayor because you didnt specialise invest in cha skills... you are much less awesome as level is less meaningful

Yup they made level less meaningful in D&D and people cheer

I dont think it's a treadmill at all since the numbers don't grow or change and the frequency of any particular difficulty class is determined by the DM, the players or both...

Oh and there are plenty stories of full fledged gods being tricked, outwitted or just plain beaten by a mortal... not sure why a mortal approaching demi-god status should be any different...

 

[Garthanos]

and the frequency of any particular difficulty class is determined by the DM, the players or both...

I get it the DMG does not advise dms to challenge the pcs anymore ...

 

[Garthanos]

Oh and there are plenty stories of full fledged gods being tricked, outwitted or just plain beaten by a mortal... not sure why a mortal approaching demi-god status should be any different...

The vast majority of ancient heros were young or undiscovered demigods themselves and it was demonstrating their awesome that was happening.

 

[Imaro]

I get it the DMG does not advise dms to challenge the pcs anymore ...

Nope... I dont think you actually do get it...

 

[Garthanos]

News at 11 the DMG recommends you not provide advancingly tough adversaries and more difficult situations to overcome .... it recommends the town mayor keep bullying the non charisma pc.