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[Umbran]

The amount of pushback to giving folks tools to communicate is... kind of astounding, really.

 

[Nagol]

The amount of pushback to giving folks tools to communicate is... kind of astounding, really.

Not really. You always get pushback when offering new tools/ways especially if those tools/way will only benefit a small subgroup. People feel you're telling everyone who doesn't/hasn't used the new thing that they're having BADWRONGFUN.

 

[lowkey13]

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[Nagol]

...you're new here, on the internet, right?

I feel like someone can say, "Hey, water is wet," and get 500 "Well, ACTUALLY ..." responses.

I haven't commented because this is obviously a useful thing for those who want to use it. The only sad thing, IMO, is that those who probably most need it are those who are too busy mocking the concept to understand why it is useful, while those who might be inclined to consider it are probably sensitive enough to the table that they are discussing these issues at session 0.

Still, it's good to see these issues aired out. No one should be made to feel bad playing a game.

Unless, of course, that's what they're really into.

 

[S'mon]

So you’re saying the trauma victim should man up?

No, and if you say anything like that again we won't be continuing this conversation.

 

[S'mon]

Here is why I think documents such as this are a good and useful thing:

They are taking and illustrating things to such an extreme distance past what many people will think is necessary that when some people push back against the document... comment that X, Y, and Z aren't necessary, you just need to do A, B, and C... invariably their points of A, B, and C tend to be further and more towards safety than they would have been had nothing ever been brought up. And people don't even realize that their decisions and choices have progressed in the direction the document was pointing out.

Humm. You may be right. I've certainly tried hard here to see the POV that sees this document as useful, and tried to imagine situations where it might be, even while disagreeing with its widespread use. Which process probably does tend to push my own views 'up' from a 5 to a 6 or so, and may help normalise a 7 or 8, if not yet a 10.

Of course there is the contrary effect over on an anti-PC RPG site where Monte Cook gets called an 'RPG Maoist' by the board owner, and the discussion tends to push views down from a 5 towards a 4 or 3. So I think that process can work both ways.

The overall effect may tend to radicalisation, even while the great majority of commenters here are pretty reasonable, or at least try to be reasonable.

 

[Arnwolf666]

No, and if you say anything like that again we won't be continuing this conversation.

He wasn’t saying it. He was asking a question for clarification.

 

[S'mon]

He wasn’t saying it. He was asking a question for clarification.

Well, I answered. No.

 

[Arnwolf666]

You were very hostile about an honest question that really needed elaboration on the difference.

 

[Wolfpack48]

Not really. You always get pushback when offering new tools/ways especially if those tools/way will only benefit a small subgroup. People feel you're telling everyone who doesn't/hasn't used the new thing that they're having BADWRONGFUN.

I don’t think anyone here is demanding that everyone use the doc. It’s an optional tool to facilitate conversation. The fear over it seems to be connected to an idea that the document is now The Law and that everyone must obey. I don’t hear anyone saying that.