What is the essence of D&D

[Garthanos]

People have been hunting and killing creatures far larger and stronger than them since cro-magnans were hunting mastadons with sticks.

Intelligent ones armored like tanks and the size of houses with built in flamethrowers.... LOL

 

[Garthanos]

1st level wizards didn't hit very often

Its only worth while if you use the speed factor rules sometimes 3 attacks even with the slightly less to hit at level one have very good aggregate to hit. The progression was crap but starting out? perhaps look again at the following tables... unless you were exceptional strength my fighter had 17 strength and that was basically +1 someone could make a character like Armstrong form full metal alchemist LOL .

Fighter / Paladin / Ranger

d20 roll / Character Level	Level 0	Level 1-2	3-4	5-6	7-8	9-10	11-12	13-14	15-16	17+
1	miss	miss	miss	miss	miss	miss	9	7	5	3
2	miss	miss	miss	miss	miss	10	8	6	4	2
3	miss	miss	miss	miss	miss	9	7	5	3	1
4	miss	miss	miss	miss	10	8	6	4	2	0
5	miss	miss	miss	miss	9	7	5	3	1	-1
6	miss	miss	miss	10	8	6	4	2	0	-2
7	miss	miss	miss	9	7	5	3	1	-1	-3
8	miss	miss	10	8	6	4	2	0	-2	-4
9	miss	miss	9	7	5	3	1	-1	-3	-5
10	miss	10	8	6	4	2	0	-2	-4	-6
11	AC 10	9	7	5	3	1	-1	-3	-5	-7
12	AC 9	8	6	4	2	0	-2	-4	-6	-8
13	AC 8	7	5	3	1	-1	-3	-5	-7	-9
14	AC 7	6	4	2	0	-2	-4	-6	-8	-10
15	AC 6	5	3	1	-1	-3	-5	-7	-9	+
16	AC 5	4	2	0	-2	-4	-6	-8	-10	+
17	AC 4	3	1	-1	-3	-5	-7	-9	+	+
18	AC 3	2	0	-2	-4	-6	-8	-10	+	+
19	AC 2	1	-1	-3	-5	-7	-9	+	+	+
20	AC 1	0	-2	-4	-6	-8	-10	+	+	+

Mages tables

d20 roll / Character Level	Level 1-5	6-10	11-15	16-20	21+
1	miss	miss	miss	miss	10
2	miss	miss	miss	miss	9
3	miss	miss	miss	10	8
4	miss	miss	miss	9	7
5	miss	miss	miss	8	6
6	miss	miss	10	7	5
7	miss	miss	9	6	4
8	miss	miss	8	5	3
9	miss	10	7	4	2
10	miss	9	6	3	1
11	AC 10	8	5	2	0
12	AC 9	7	4	1	-1
13	AC 8	6	3	0	-2
14	AC 7	5	2	-1	-3
15	AC 6	4	1	-2	-4
16	AC 5	3	0	-3	-5
17	AC 4	2	-1	-4	-6
18	AC 3	1	-2	-5	-7
19	AC 2	0	-3	-6	-8
20	AC 1	-1	-4	-7	-9

 

[Garthanos]

And throwing 7 per round. With Gauntlets of Ogre power.

Oh my that is ...well a bit much... I apparently only saw a tame version

 

[Zardnaar]

Intelligent ones armored like tanks and the size of houses with built in flamethrowers.... LOL

They're

Oh my that is ...well a bit much... I apparently only saw a tame version

You should see the 2E dart grandmaster.
Don't even need gauntlets 18/whatever works.

 

[Garthanos]

You should see the 2E dart grandmaster.

Well the instance I was talking about was a mage being effective in ranged combat because multi-attack works...

 

[TheCosmicKid]

Intelligent ones armored like tanks and the size of houses with built in flamethrowers.... LOL

People have been destroying tanks for about a century now.

 

[Garthanos]

People have been destroying tanks for about a century now.

with broadswords... and raw muscle power LMFAO

 

[doctorbadwolf]

You answered your own question. There was a lengthy period when you could use the Character Builder without a current sub. Which, naturally, a lot of people did.

Feel free to explain what that has to do with DDI subscription numbers as an indicator of how much money wotc was making?

Does this somehow counter something I was saying, or is it just a nit pick that “technically you could use the builder without a subscription” which has literally nothing to do with the actual argument you were replying to?

 

[Eric V]

Precisely because "They are the same" is obviously objectively incorrect if taken literally, "They were too similar for me to enjoy" is how a reasonable person arguing in good faith would interpret the complaint. Your continued attempts to argue against this strawman are unconstructive.

Just to address the bolded part...

If one is comparing powers from classes against each other, they really are, factually, quite different. As pointed out above, Come and Get it is very different from Blinding Barrage is very different from Powerful Warning is very different from Verdant Retaliation, etc. etc.

Within a class, yes, some powers were mere upgrades of other ones, and some effects of some powers were a tiny bonus because they instead did more damage. I can see those being similar...but what would make no sense at all is to say "Too similar for me to enjoy" but then do literally the same thing ("I attack recklessly!") over and over again and not find that "too similar to enjoy."

Non-casters in 5e have had their options made much more similar to each other than they ever did in 4e. Maybe barbarian powers in 4e weren't differentiated enough, but they were more differentiated than ever before or since.

 

[Hussar]

The premise is flawed. Magic doesn't have to be able to do more than non-magical things. However, magic is an explanation for why the laws of physics can be broken, so some magic can do more than non-magical things. That magic can break those laws of physics is also why magic is limited in the amount you can do per day.

Potato, potahto. Also, no longer true in 5e where you have both rituals and at-will casting.