D&D 5E Dragon Talk on Tyranny of Dragons

[Xenonnonex]

I ran Tyranny of Dragons cover to cover having not played or DMed D&D for nearly 20 years. Is perfect? No. Did it need a lot of work to run it? Yes. Did my players enjoy it? Yes. Did it 'almost destroy 5e'? What a load of rubbish. It is still in print five years later! People are buying it and running it all the time! I genuinely despair of internet nerd drama hyperbole sometimes.

However I did not say it almost destroyed 5e. Rather I said it almost killed 5e from the start. Due to how bad it is. And the proof is all there.This does not preclude people from running or enjoying it. Turns out internet nerd drama hyperbole is in the replies.

 

[The Big BZ]

I ran Tyranny of Dragons cover to cover having not played or DMed D&D for nearly 20 years. Is perfect? No. Did it need a lot of work to run it? Yes. Did my players enjoy it? Yes. Did it 'ALMOST KILL 5E FROM THE START'? What a load of rubbish. It is still in print five years later! People are buying it and running it all the time! I genuinely despair of internet nerd drama hyperbole sometimes

 

[Xenonnonex]

I genuinely despair of internet nerd drama hyperbole sometimes

Hi pot, meet kettle.

 

[Xenonnonex]

On the other hand. I am glad Wizards is putting the experience gained in writing and designing their later 5e adventures to good use for this.

 

[darjr]

Just Google Fixing Hoard of the Dragon Queen.

fixing hoard of the dragon queen - Google Search

That isn’t proof it almost killed 5e! Now your being dense.

 

[darjr]

However I did not say it almost destroyed 5e. Rather I said it almost killed 5e from the start. Due to how bad it is. And the proof is all there.This does not preclude people from running or enjoying it. Turns out internet nerd drama hyperbole is in the replies.

Baloney.
Your posts are full of desperate wishful thinking. But now I know better.

 

[Xenonnonex]

Baloney.
Your posts are full of desperate wishful thinking. But now I know better.

I hardly call my commentary as desperate wishful thinking.

 

[darjr]

I hardly call my commentary as desperate wishful thinking.

generally no.
But about hoard almost killing 5e from the start? Yea man. It does sound like that to me. I mean it sounds like an alternate universe.
We even have proof that 5e was doing so dang good through that time that WotC was stunned. The initial print run at Amazon sold out fast. They had to pull books back from retail channels to feed Amazon. They then rushed a reprint that also quickly sold out. They delayed other books to do another print run, with one report saying they doubled the initial print run, and they sold out. Early on the PHB went out of stock at Amazon like four times. And each time at Amazon the sales rank shot back up to top 10 area.

 

[Xenonnonex]

generally no.
But about hoard almost killing 5e from the start? Yea man. It does sound like that to me. I mean it sounds like an alternate universe.
We even have proof that 5e was doing so dang good through that time that WotC was stunned. The initial print run at Amazon sold out fast. They had to pull books back from retail channels to feed Amazon. They then rushed a reprint that also quickly sold out. They delayed other books to do another print run, with one report saying they doubled the initial print run, and they sold out. Early on the PHB went out of stock at Amazon like four times. And each time at Amazon the sales rank shot back up to top 10 area.

Was it not that the core rulebooks that completely sold out? And was it not the selling out of the core rulebooks that stunned Wizards? I would like to see some more stats for the print runs of Hoard of the Dragon Queen and Rise of Tiamat.
Do not get me wrong. I am happy for Wizard's success. I am happy for their continued success. But Hoard was really goddamn bad. I hope you like mandatory homebrew bad.

 

[Parmandur]

Just Google Fixing Hoard of the Dragon Queen.

fixing hoard of the dragon queen - Google Search

The main thing that proves is that people have run it; particularly note that people keep talking about running it afresh, year after year.

It really isn't perfect: but it didn't materially or formally harm 5E, and is more successful than basically every Adventure product released by WotC pre-2014.