D&D General Compelling and Differentiated Gameplay For Spellcasters and Martial Classes

[Son of the Serpent]

Also just to drive this home. These are overwhelmingly more common in "fighters" than the general average for people. So its not just some. Its a deviantly high percentage. Before they ever pick up the sword. And generally more so proportional to others of the same age after. These stay abnormally common compared to other people after the trade is picked up. Both are key.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

FTR, fighter is also kinda a weird class in that its kinda vague like "magic user" from way back in the day, except actually even more so. I think this vagueness might be part of why people have a hard time improving it.

This is part of why i like some of the close cousins to fighter from various editions, like the knight. IRL fighters are generally a KIND of fighter. Not the d&d class. That might also be part of what is harming its ability for designers to easily apply more types of interaction to it. Ironic. By being broad it becomes narrow.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

Case in point, other KINDS of fighters:

Knight
Most rogues (i went there)
Paladin (i went there)
Crusader
Barbarian (i went there)

Its a weird class

 

[Son of the Serpent]

I find crusaders quite fun btw.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

I think what we really need to do is create more KINDS of fighter. Especially in the vein of the:

Knight
Crusader
Rogue

 

[Don Durito]

Yeah the issue with Fighter is that the more that gets stripped out of it to make new classes the less is left.

But if you take it away and have a lot of specific classes - then there's nothing to cover what falls through the gaps.

 

[Don Durito]

I've always thought the more elegant way is to have Fighter be the base and everything similar branch off it, as subclasses, or prestige classes, or expert classes (Shadow of a Demon Lord) or what have you.

Therefore it becomes clear that Fighter is a beginning and you progress toward something more.

But people will insist on having the separate classes.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

Yeah the issue with Fighter is that the more that gets stripped out of it to make new classes the less is left.

But if you take it away and have a lot of specific classes - then there's nothing to cover what falls through the gaps.

But REAL fighters arent in a gap. They are like the rogue or the knight. A person with tendancies that chose to bring some of them to their pinnacle. This is true mythologically too actually.

Btw can i post a link to dndtools to show how awesome the crusader from 3.5 is or is that not allowed?

Also, maybe nothing SHOULD fill the "gap". Nothing does on the other side of the spectrum in the way the fighter does. No magic user does.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

I challenge someone to find a real world or classic mythological figure who fills the gap and "does all the things" that could be associated with a fighter.

Doesnt exist.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

Even a war god wont