D&D 5E What are your biggest immersion breakers, rules wise?

[Garthanos]

Do you really need a high dex to take cover? I find it hard to believe it would make more than a minor difference. It also doesn't account for fire from sources you don't see. In wartime soldiers frequently only have a general idea of location of the shooter, there is no "dodge out of the way the shooter is aiming".

Of course I'm also not willing to be shot at after taking a dexterity test to prove my point so it will likely remain a mystery.

If there is actual cover getting behind it faster seems likely better no? .. To me dodging their aims means defeating the aim with quick Unpredictable sudden movements that make it harder to aim at you (it is not in response to a specific attack you cannot respond to a single machine gun bullet) I would definitely think it works better with a high burst speed body musculature (what is dex to you?) And yes if you are in the middle of doing that it wouldn't require you see who is firing just be aware they are likely firing and engage the maneuvering. My thought is stamina would also enter the picture very soon.

Hence all that soldier stamina training

One might if one wanted a bit more realism against archer fire to require movement involved or parrying like with shields (for extra measure). perhaps in D&D 5e terms dependent on the campaign make that only in pre-heroic tier

I can personally parry a thrown weapon

And based on some hunting around you tube I have seen videos of people cutting a moving arrow with a sword... (but rarely ever one aimed at them) it seems like it might be harder to defend yourself than an ally in this way not necessarily something I would have predicted either

this one shows how bloody hard it is with the arrow aimed at you (he feels it would be easier to dodge the arrow)

These guys figure out how to cut one out of the air but not aimed at them. They have fun with wierd stunts

There is this one of course

 

[Garthanos]

There are other videos too one has a guy blocking/cutting the adjacent arrow (not aimed at him) from out of a cold draw ( I do think the ones with people talking about how tough it is even under controlled circumstances may be more informative than the ones making it look somewhat easier)

And there is one with a guy splitting a Beebee pelet in midair... but I suspect that is as precision firing as anything

Ofcourse I am fine with characters doing the deflect and arrow at an enemy trick or the anime cutting dozens of arrows from the air but i do also like to investigate what "realistic" is.

 

[Bohandas]

In a modern or post-modern world-view, sure.
In the nigh-vanished traditionalist world-view, the Golden Age is in the past, the oldest book has the best answer, and the best you can do is learn to things the traditional way, so you can be /almost/ as good as your predecessor. D&D has trappings of that sort of world-view - the wizard searching for power through knowledge by poring over ancient tomes rather than doing original research - but it ultimately doesn't carry through with it.

Yeah, but even under that worldview the existence of the gods means that it ought to be back up and running pretty quickly (barring a situation like the fall of Netheril where the most relevant god dies and/or the gods specifically change things to prevent themselves being threatened or a Cthulhu Mythos type situation where the gods simply don't care). Especially since the god whose people got things back up and running first would be in a significant position of power. The knowledge of the lost civilization realistically ought to be immediately replaced via divine revelation.

 

[Oofta]

People

There are other videos too one has a guy blocking/cutting the adjacent arrow (not aimed at him) from out of a cold draw ( I do think the ones with people talking about how tough it is even under controlled circumstances may be more informative than the ones making it look somewhat easier)

And there is one with a guy splitting a Beebee pelet in midair... but I suspect that is as precision firing as anything

Ofcourse I am fine with characters doing the deflect and arrow at an enemy trick or the anime cutting dozens of arrows from the air but i do also like to investigate what "realistic" is.

People also hit a small thrown object traveling around 100 mph with a stick as well. You also don't want to stand still in the open during a fire fight.

Just because people can hit a baseball doesn't mean they can dodge bullets. Unless you're Spiderman of course, but that's supernaturally high dex + Spidey Senses.

All I'm saying is that bullets bouncing off Iron Man's armor makes more sense to me than getting significant protection from a high dex.

But if you're okay with dex granting as much protection as Batman's plot armor, it's fine. It's just a game.

 

[Arnwolf666]

Well, they shouldn’t be making a check most of the time in 5e. What’s more, they should have advantage, as long as the observer isn’t hyperperceptive like a bird of prey, or else not much bigger than the spider.

Well, they shouldn’t be making a check most of the time in 5e. What’s more, they should have advantage, as long as the observer isn’t hyperperceptive like a bird of prey, or else not much bigger than the spider.

People

People also hit a small thrown object traveling around 100 mph with a stick as well. You also don't want to stand still in the open during a fire fight.

Just because people can hit a baseball doesn't mean they can dodge bullets. Unless you're Spiderman of course, but that's supernaturally high dex + Spidey Senses.

All I'm saying is that bullets bouncing off Iron Man's armor makes more sense to me than getting significant protection from a high dex.

But if you're okay with dex granting as much protection as Batman's plot armor, it's fine. It's just a game.

it can also be your dex making u a hard target to aim at. A moving erratic target is harder to hit.

 

[Garthanos]

But if you're okay with dex granting as much protection as Batman's plot armor, it's fine. It's just a game.

Its more a question of style to me... And when batman hangs out with superman there is way more issues in plausibility going on in that arena than a bare chested pirate/barbarian/monk/fencing master style hero hanging with a knight style one. Technically in real life the Plate Armor is hands down better and probably gives some sort of dex/strength bonus I have to poke my realism buttons in the eyes over this stuff so I really do understand your point of view.

 

[Oofta]

Double post

 

[Oofta]

it can also be your dex making u a hard target to aim at. A moving erratic target is harder to hit.

Never said otherwise. I just don't think high dex will add much of a difference.

But that's just, like an opinion, man.

 

[Arnwolf666]

Never said otherwise. I just don't think high dex will add much of a difference.

But that's just, like an opinion, man.

Absolutely. That’s what I like about this thread. It’s cool to see what breaks the immersion for different people.

 

[JiffyPopTart]

In a game where you get a DEX save (AKA a dodge) to avoid a lightning bolt it seems odd to split hairs over being able to dodge a musket ball versus an arrow.