D&D 5E Class Tier List 2.0, SCAG+ Xanathars
Zardnaar
Legend
My bad. I blame someone else.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
It's not quite that good, if two enemies are within 5' of each other there is a good chance you won't qualify for a sneak attack on either of them.
Zardnaar
Legend
True but it's gonna be easy to set up and you will often win initiative enabling that set up.
If I make any mistakes (I may misread something) I'll change my rating up or down if it's a significant one.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
Sure, it usually works, and I find Swashbuckler is a very popular subclass - because it's easy to use I think.
I was just being pedantic.
Esker
Hero
Thanks for this @Zardnaar!
A couple of things I noticed (only skimmed a few so far):
About the arcana cleric, you say "This cleric makes a fairly decent primary spellcaster and has potential in melee combat due to being able to pick up spells like booming blade and greenflame blade and keying them off wisdom."
I assume you're referring to the GFB secondary damage which is equal to your casting modifier here. But booming blade doesn't use the casting stat at all; and both still require STR or DEX (depending on weapon) to hit. The way it's written makes it sound like the arcana cleric can make attack rolls using Wisdom like with Shillelagh, which isn't the case, so might be helpful to clarify to avoid misleading readers.
About Circle of Dreams Druid, you say "The spirits lean heavily into the support type role, extra hit points, advantage on attack rolls (its better than faerie fire no save+ other stuff)"
It's worth noting though that the piece of the hawk aura that grants advantage uses the druid's reaction, so although it's true that there's no save, it only works for one attack per round. So I definitely think the effect is weaker than Faerie Fire; though the fact that it doesn't use concentration is lovely. If you have a rogue ally, it could be very nice.
A couple of things I noticed (only skimmed a few so far):
About the arcana cleric, you say "This cleric makes a fairly decent primary spellcaster and has potential in melee combat due to being able to pick up spells like booming blade and greenflame blade and keying them off wisdom."
I assume you're referring to the GFB secondary damage which is equal to your casting modifier here. But booming blade doesn't use the casting stat at all; and both still require STR or DEX (depending on weapon) to hit. The way it's written makes it sound like the arcana cleric can make attack rolls using Wisdom like with Shillelagh, which isn't the case, so might be helpful to clarify to avoid misleading readers.
About Circle of Dreams Druid, you say "The spirits lean heavily into the support type role, extra hit points, advantage on attack rolls (its better than faerie fire no save+ other stuff)"
It's worth noting though that the piece of the hawk aura that grants advantage uses the druid's reaction, so although it's true that there's no save, it only works for one attack per round. So I definitely think the effect is weaker than Faerie Fire; though the fact that it doesn't use concentration is lovely. If you have a rogue ally, it could be very nice.
One thing I'll say for Arcana Domain once you hit level 5 is that if you have Booming Blade, Warcaster, and are using Spirit Guardians, you get to put enemies into no-win situations and I like that. Still limited to a d6 weapon die if you want a shield, or a d8 if you go two-handed, though.
Ruin Explorer
Legend
My only question so far is, are Bards really inherently A/B tier in the 1-4 level range? Because my feeling is that, aside from Lore Bards (who get Cutting Words at 3, which is a fight-winner), at this level range, they're basically like Clerics with worse armour and no shield. They've got he same number of spells, far fewer to choose from (though I guess they do have stuff like Tasha's), weapon selection is similar - slightly better because you have rapier so if going DEX that works (but really that's 1 point ahead of the mighty Shortsword, D&D weapon of choice of so many people since the 1980s - man I must have had more characters wielding a Shortsword at L1 than any other weapon). WIS and CHA are similar in value at 1-4.
It just feels weird to me to see a Cleric getting a C rating and barely getting that, when a Bard is getting an A and I'm not sure that I really get it. I say this as a professional Bard-player too, so I generally have a pro-Bard bias (playing a Lore Bard right now and they're definitely A at L1-4 but only because of Cutting Words being like "You are NOT going to save against that!").
Once you get into 5+ I am pretty sure Bards are inherently B+ (and Lore goes to S once you start getting secrets at 6 imho) but I just wonder at this level.
It just feels weird to me to see a Cleric getting a C rating and barely getting that, when a Bard is getting an A and I'm not sure that I really get it. I say this as a professional Bard-player too, so I generally have a pro-Bard bias (playing a Lore Bard right now and they're definitely A at L1-4 but only because of Cutting Words being like "You are NOT going to save against that!").
Once you get into 5+ I am pretty sure Bards are inherently B+ (and Lore goes to S once you start getting secrets at 6 imho) but I just wonder at this level.
