WotC Is Mike Mearls Happy Hour still a thing?

[Mistwell]

Are you claiming that "calling out" or "cancellation" or whatever you want to call it does not hurt people?

Are its targets not hurt... or are they just not people?

President Obama has something to say about this. [Sorry if this is dipping too political - I am not trying to make a partisan point with this]

 

[Eubani]

Facing the consequences of ones actions does not make one a victim.

 

[TheCosmicKid]

Facing the consequences of ones actions does not make one a victim.

This is excusing harmful behavior by demonizing the target and depersonalizing the actor. How we respond to wrongdoing is not some deterministic Newtonian reaction. It is a choice we make as individuals and as a community. These choices can have cumulative effects, consequences that we need to be mindful of. One person calling out Mearls for saying something hurtful is reasonable, laudable even -- certainly we want him to be aware that he's said something hurtful -- but multiply that one callout by one Internet and you have a potentially destructive harassment campaign. And more deeply, these choices define us. The prevailing attitude I'm seeing here is cynical and callous and self-righteous and cold, and that's not the sort of attitude I'm comfortable with shaping the society of tomorrow.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

The prevailing attitude I'm seeing here is cynical and callous and self-righteous and cold, and that's not the sort of attitude I'm comfortable with shaping the society of tomorrow.

This seems like special-pleading nonsense to me.

Mearls was mildly called out for his definitely bad actions.

Whereas other people haven't actually been bad are routinely attacked, harassed, doxxed, given death and rape threads, and so on, and no-one writes threads like these to say how awful that is. You've dedicated an awful lot of words to defending someone who actually did something wrong, and doesn't really seem to be suffering, and have now started grandstanding ridiculously about the "society of tomorrow", but the reality is, people who have done nothing at all wrong face a thousands times more venom, hatred, and vileness than Mearls did, and that's the actual problem.

I find it quite discreditable that you moan about the "society of tomorrow" with this as your example, not one of the dozens or hundreds or thousands of people who face genuinely brutal and unpleasant harassment online. What is happening to those people is what we should be worrying about, not a dude who messed up taking a break from the internet.

It's equivalent to writing a lengthy piece because someone you like got yelled at in public, when ignoring the fact that, two blocks away, several people got murdered.

 

[Salthorae]

You've dedicated an awful lot of words to defending someone who actually did something wrong,

So since discovering this thread, I've done a ton of exploring this issue.

So far, I can't find any actual proof that Mearls did anything really wrong. People bring up consistently across different sites and threads etc. that Mearls "passed on information" to that Zak guy. But no one ever has any actual proof of that.

The only thing concrete that is reported is a screenshot of Mearls talking about people in an online forum. And from what I can determine, the wrong that he did in that instance was apologized for directly to the person he hurt through that.

You seem to definitively know that Mearls did something wrong on a larger than individual scale, so please share what you know, because I can't find it out there. Not saying it doesn't exist, I'm not the end all be all of google-fu, which is why I'm asking.

 

[TheCosmicKid]

This seems like special-pleading nonsense to me.

Mearls was mildly called out for his definitely bad actions.

Whereas other people haven't actually been bad are routinely attacked, harassed, doxxed, given death and rape threads, and so on, and no-one writes threads like these to say how awful that is. You've dedicated an awful lot of words to defending someone who actually did something wrong, and doesn't really seem to be suffering, and have now started grandstanding ridiculously about the "society of tomorrow", but the reality is, people who have done nothing at all wrong face a thousands times more venom, hatred, and vileness than Mearls did, and that's the actual problem.

I find it quite discreditable that you moan about the "society of tomorrow" with this as your example, not one of the dozens or hundreds or thousands of people who face genuinely brutal and unpleasant harassment online. What is happening to those people is what we should be worrying about, not a dude who messed up taking a break from the internet.

It's equivalent to writing a lengthy piece because someone you like got yelled at in public, when ignoring the fact that, two blocks away, several people got murdered.

This thread is about Mike Mearls, so I'm talking about Mike Mearls. Don't mistake my comments on this subject for indifference on other subjects. I can worry about lots of things.

 

[Mistwell]

Facing the consequences of ones actions does not make one a victim.

That depends on whether the punishment fits the crime. If I step on an ant by accident and get the death penalty for it, obviously it does make me a victim for facing the consequences in that manner - to show an extreme example. Just saying, "Well this is what you get" doesn't really speak to whether it's a just consequence or not.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

That depends on whether the punishment fits the crime. If I step on an ant by accident and get the death penalty for it, obviously it does make me a victim for facing the consequences in that manner - to show an extreme example. Just saying, "Well this is what you get" doesn't really speak to whether it's a just consequence or not.

This is a pretty silly comparison dude. Mearls lied about something serious and his "punishment" was self-imposed Twitter exile.

That sounds exactly like he got off lightly if anything.

This thread is about Mike Mearls, so I'm talking about Mike Mearls. Don't mistake my comments on this subject for indifference on other subjects. I can worry about lots of things.

The sheer amount of complaining you're doing about a guy who is in self-imposed Twitter exile (OH NO!!!) is absolutely bloody staggering. You're basically claiming the downfall of Western civilization because a dude lied about a serious matter, then decided to hide out from social media. It's pretty lame.

You seem to definitively know that Mearls did something wrong on a larger than individual scale, so please share what you know, because I can't find it out there. Not saying it doesn't exist, I'm not the end all be all of google-fu, which is why I'm asking.

Sorry mate, I feel like this isn't good faith on your part so I won't be interacting with it. If it is good faith you have my apologies but it's not worth it because 95 people out of 100 saying stuff like this are bad faith actors. Also the dude is in self-imposed Twitter exile, not the subject of death threats or something.

A friend of mine got multiple threats of murder and rape for protesting Chick-fil-a (or whatever it's called) when they came to the UK, and appearing in one interview, and so it's incredibly hard to take you people seriously about this.

 

[gyor]

Indeed, it seems like all you have to do is ignore the cancel culture crusaders, or better yet mock them. Once you offer a sincere apology to the habitually offended, they'll smell blood in the water and, as often as not, you're done for.

This is 100% true, cancel culture thugs get off on the power, the smell of blood only excites them more.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

This is 100% true, cancel culture thugs get off on the power, the smell of blood only excites them more.

I love how you're calling people who are mildly insulting on Twitter "thugs" and yet my friend gets death threats and people like you are saying nothing at all. Funny that.